Dual citizenship (U.S./Philippines)

[Misha♥Jeff 12]

After pinay wife gets her U.S. citizenship, if she wants to keep dual citizenship with the Philippines, does she need to reapply for Philippines citizenship.  I know the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship and you need to renounce prior allegiances in the oath, but how is all of that perceived by the Philippines government?  TIA

 

Misha & Jeff

[Hank_ 9,174]

1 minute ago, Misha♥Jeff said:

After pinay wife gets her U.S. citizenship, if she wants to keep dual citizenship with the Philippines, does she need to reapply for Philippines citizenship.  I know the U.S. does not recognize dual citizenship and you need to renounce prior allegiances in the oath, but how is all of that perceived by the Philippines government?  TIA

 

Misha & Jeff

 

Yes the USA does remove prior citizenship in its oath.  Your wife will have to apply for dual citizenship through the consulate in your area.  You can acquire Philippine citizenship after acquiring U.S. citizenship  without issue  (R.A. 9225)

 

http://www.philippinessanfrancisco.org/news/5198/591/Dual-Citizenship-Procedure/d,phildet/

[mallafri76 1,012]

17 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

 

Yes the USA does remove prior citizenship in its oath.  

First off, the US doesn't have the authority to remove someone's citizenship from another country, that's up to the other country to decide.

 

Secondly, the US allows dual citizenship or rather, they don't have a policy or law that prohibits dual citizenship. 

[Hank_ 9,174]

24 minutes ago, mallafri76 said:

First off, the US doesn't have the authority to remove someone's citizenship from another country, that's up to the other country to decide.

 

Secondly, the US allows dual citizenship or rather, they don't have a policy or law that prohibits dual citizenship. 

By taking the OATH, that the USA requires to grant U.S. citizenship ... it removes prior citizenship.      So in this case YES ... the USA does... by virtue of the person accepting the "conditions" for being granted U.S. citizenship, have the "power".

 

And true the USA is moot regarding the dual citizenship issue... and in this case, for that person to re-acquire Philippine citizenship she must follow the process granted by R.A. 9225 (Philippine Law)

Edited August 29, 2017 by Hank_

[Greenbaum 12,259]

Thirdly, your right Hank!

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

55 minutes ago, mallafri76 said:

First off, the US doesn't have the authority to remove someone's citizenship from another country, that's up to the other country to decide.

 

Secondly, the US allows dual citizenship or rather, they don't have a policy or law that prohibits dual citizenship. 

He is right in regards to the Philippines. Once you become a US Citizen you have to reestablish your right to Philippine citizenship and Dual Citizenship. 

[Misha♥Jeff 12]

So, let me get this straight...once she renounces her filipino citizenship by virtue of her U.S. oath, the government of the Philippines no longer considers her a citizen of their country.  So, in order to reinstate herself as a citizen of the Philippines, she needs to apply for it.  The Philippines requires no such renunciation of previous allegiances, which is how she can then carry both passports.

 

On this side of the Pacific, the U.S. government won't care that she will have once again pledged allegiance to the Philippines...so it's just a shell game.

 

When she travels to and from the Philippines, I assume she would use her U.S. passport. The only good reason that I can think of for her to have dual citizenship is so that she can own property there.  Why else would retaining filipino citizenship be useful?

 

Thanks again.

[Hank_ 9,174]

1 hour ago, Misha♥Jeff said:

So, let me get this straight...once she renounces her filipino citizenship by virtue of her U.S. oath, the government of the Philippines no longer considers her a citizen of their country.  So, in order to reinstate herself as a citizen of the Philippines, she needs to apply for it.  The Philippines requires no such renunciation of previous allegiances, which is how she can then carry both passports.

 

On this side of the Pacific, the U.S. government won't care that she will have once again pledged allegiance to the Philippines...so it's just a shell game.

 

When she travels to and from the Philippines, I assume she would use her U.S. passport. The only good reason that I can think of for her to have dual citizenship is so that she can own property there.  Why else would retaining filipino citizenship be useful?

 

Thanks again.

Voting and owning property (over 1,000 sq.m, more for rural areas.  Former Filipinos can own land). are about it.. unless you are planning on children.

 

You don't need dual citizenship to stay in the Philippines long term either, you can use the SRRVisa (requires a $1500 deposit, that can be used toward real estate or condo purchase).   Both of you can obtain the SRRVisa.

Edited August 29, 2017 by Hank_

[broppy 204]

3 hours ago, Misha♥Jeff said:

So, let me get this straight...once she renounces her filipino citizenship by virtue of her U.S. oath, the government of the Philippines no longer considers her a citizen of their country.

Not quite. It's not the oath and her renunciation of filipino citizenship that triggers her loss of citizenship - as far as the Philippines is concerned, it's simply the acquisition of foreign citizenship that causes an issue.

[Hank_ 9,174]

Not really

1 hour ago, broppy said:

Not quite. It's not the oath and her renunciation of filipino citizenship that triggers her loss of citizenship - as far as the Philippines is concerned, it's simply the acquisition of foreign citizenship that causes an issue.

Not true.   One has to RENOUNCE their Philippine citizenship to lose it.

 

This from section 5 of Article IV the Philippine Constitution:  

 

  "Citizens of the Philippines who marry aliens shall retain their citizenship, unless by their acts or omission they are deemed, under the law, to have renounced it."


The key word is "renounce." Philippine citizenship is lost or reacquired only in a manner provided by law. One way of losing one's Filipino citizenship is to renounce it or, by some act or omission, be deemed to have renounced it.

This from Section 4 of Article IV of the Philippine Constitution (do take special NOTE of this section)

In the naturalization process of some countries, the applicant is required not only to swear allegiance to the adoptive country but also to renounce his allegiance to his country of origin.

 

 

"If a Filipino marrying an alien is not required to renounce his/her citizenship and is automatically conferred the citizenship of the spouse, the Filipino should be able to retain his/her Philippine citizenship ; thereby acquiring dual/multiple citizenship."

 

 

Edited August 29, 2017 by Hank_

[RO_AH 1,659]

16 hours ago, Hank_ said:

And true the USA is moot regarding the dual citizenship issue... and in this case, for that person to re-acquire Philippine citizenship she must follow the process granted by R.A. 9225 (Philippine Law)

I have been curious about this. How difficult is the process? When I reach retirement age we plan to move to the Philippines so I plan to have my asawa go through this process after she obtains US citizenship.

 

11 hours ago, Hank_ said:

You don't need dual citizenship to stay in the Philippines long term either, you can use the SRRVisa (requires a $1500 deposit, that can be used toward real estate or condo purchase).   Both of you can obtain the SRRVisa.

Wouldn't acquiring dual citizenship just be a whole lot easier?

[Hank_ 9,174]

6 hours ago, RO_AH said:

I have been curious about this. How difficult is the process? When I reach retirement age we plan to move to the Philippines so I plan to have my asawa go through this process after she obtains US citizenship.

 

Wouldn't acquiring dual citizenship just be a whole lot easier?

Dual citizenship is easy to acquire; file the forms with the consulate near you, once that is approved make an appt to appear to take the oath ... done.

 

Here is a tibit regarding the SSRVisa, YOU can't easily (read that to mean cheaply) get the SRRV on your own, for some reason the SRRVisa "courtesy" was designed to favor former Filipinos.  If you are a Veteran the SRRV "courtesy" is offered ...

 

 

[RO_AH 1,659]

33 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

Dual citizenship is easy to acquire; file the forms with the consulate near you, once that is approved make an appt to appear to take the oath ... done.

 

Here is a tibit regarding the SSRVisa, YOU can't easily (read that to mean cheaply) get the SRRV on your own, for some reason the SRRVisa "courtesy" was designed to favor former Filipinos.  If you are a Veteran the SRRV "courtesy" is offered ...

 

 

I only wish us kano's could get dual citizenship hehe. But once she gets US citizenship I will have her get dual citizenship then when I am ready to retire we will move there and I will go for the SRRV. Luckily we have a Philippine Consulate here in my city.

[Hank_ 9,174]

13 minutes ago, RO_AH said:

I only wish us kano's could get dual citizenship hehe. But once she gets US citizenship I will have her get dual citizenship then when I am ready to retire we will move there and I will go for the SRRV. Luckily we have a Philippine Consulate here in my city.

You can.  But the process in the Philippines isn't simple .. thus not worth the effort   

[javadown2 308]

We are planning the same scenario, but of course it's years away so anything can change. Our issue is we have a baby due in December and lots of decisions to think about since I'll be retiring right around the time she is in high-school.