N400 filers at Minneapolis,MN

[corvusheart 163]

I hope what we submitted will be enough and we won't be denied. We do have a lawyer who has prepared and sent all our petitions and applications up to this point. But with this we wanted to just submit our evidence straight away online which we did. He wanted to mail it. But I don't want to delay it anymore than it already has been. Our friends and family think we should have had the lawyer do it that him doing it would have more weight. But it would have been the same evidence either way. I hope we made the right decision submitting it online.

[birchscott 17]

I disagree with your friends and family.  The lawyer submitting these things changes nothing. What matters is the evidence, its relevance and its credibility. I assume what you submitted was not the same as what you sent with the initial applications?

 

I also agree with your decision to submit online. 

[corvusheart 163]

7 minutes ago, birchscott said:

I disagree with your friends and family.  The lawyer submitting these things changes nothing. What matters is the evidence, its relevance and its credibility. I assume what you submitted was not the same as what you sent with the initial applications?

 

I also agree with your decision to submit online. 

The same and additional documents from after N400 was filed. We submitted everything with original N400. So when we replied to the RFE we sent everything that was already in the packet along with everything else we've accumulated after submitting N400. I didn't want to chance anything and just sent everything. Also the RFE specifically asked for 3 years worth of evidence of our marriage so that's why a lot of the stuff was from what we originally submitted. I listed above what we submitted hopefully it's good enough. I dont have anything more than what we have submitted.

 

Well if we get denied we will just have to reapply again under the 5 year rule which doesn't focus so much on the relationship. I just don't get it, if evidence of a relationship was a problem why was ROC approved so easily with no RFE?

 

[corvusheart 163]

[corvusheart 163]

Should we just withdraw n400 it says if we do we won't have prejudice effect our futures applications. 

[Citizendan 8]

13 minutes ago, corvusheart said:

Should we just withdraw n400 it says if we do we won't have prejudice effect our futures applications. 

 

If you have all the documents they are requesting, then I think you shd fight to the end. This process is very stressful and going through it again is not easy.

[corvusheart 163]

1 minute ago, Citizendan said:

 

If you have all the documents they are requesting, then I think you shd fight to the end. This process is very stressful and going through it again is not easy.

That's the thing we don't have all docs listed. We don't have joint bank accounts. We may reapply under the 5 year rule which isn't so strict about relationship evidence.

[birchscott 17]

5 minutes ago, corvusheart said:

Should we just withdraw n400 it says if we do we won't have prejudice effect our futures applications. 

Why do that? Maybe submit a written affidavit about why you don't have some of the requested evidence. 

 

Regarding why this happened, I found this in USCIS handbook:  

 

If an officer approves a naturalization application, the application goes through the appropriate internal procedures before the USCIS office schedules the applicant to appear at a ceremony for the administration of the Oath of Allegiance. ^[2] The internal procedures include a “re-verification” procedure where all approved applications are reviewed for quality. The officer who conducts the re-verification is not the same officer who conducts the interview. While the officer conducting the re-verification process does not adjudicate the application once again, the officer may raise any substantive eligibility issues. 

[corvusheart 163]

11 minutes ago, birchscott said:

Why do that? Maybe submit a written affidavit about why you don't have some of the requested evidence. 

 

Regarding why this happened, I found this in USCIS handbook:  

 

If an officer approves a naturalization application, the application goes through the appropriate internal procedures before the USCIS office schedules the applicant to appear at a ceremony for the administration of the Oath of Allegiance. ^[2] The internal procedures include a “re-verification” procedure where all approved applications are reviewed for quality. The officer who conducts the re-verification is not the same officer who conducts the interview. While the officer conducting the re-verification process does not adjudicate the application once again, the officer may raise any substantive eligibility issues. 

It's too late to submit an affidavit. Once you submit your evidence on the site you can't submit again that's your only opportunity. Plus I assumed it was giving us examples of what we could submit just like removal of conditions one of the examples on the ROC instructions for evidence was joint bank statements.

 

Anyway we want to withdraw to avoid any penalties or reprocussions over an outright denial.

 

And file again under 5 year rule where they aren't so focused on relationship evidence.

Edited March 15, 2019 by corvusheart

[birchscott 17]

1 hour ago, corvusheart said:

Should we just withdraw n400 it says if we do we won't have prejudice effect our futures applications. 

Why do that? I think that's for situations where you can't produce what they're asking for and don't want the denial to impact a future filing. 

 

41 minutes ago, corvusheart said:

It's too late to submit an affidavit. Once you submit your evidence on the site you can't submit again that's your only opportunity. Plus I assumed it was giving us examples of what we could submit just like removal of conditions one of the examples on the ROC instructions for evidence was joint bank statements.

 

Anyway we want to withdraw to avoid any penalties or reprocussions over an outright denial.

 

And file again under 5 year rule where they aren't so focused on relationship evidence.

Are you sure you can't still re-file even after a denial?  But also it seems incredibly unlikely you would be denied, as they approved your I-751 without issue. The evidence requirements are more extensive for that application.  Also in that RFE letter you posted it says 'may include but is not limited to'. It doesn't say 'must' include. 

 

If I was in your situation I would consult with my lawyer before proceeding. Or try an InfoPass appointment? You'll lose your filing fee and countless hours of prep time if you withdraw.  

Edited March 15, 2019 by birchscott

[corvusheart 163]

27 minutes ago, birchscott said:

Why do that? I think that's for situations where you can't produce what they're asking for and don't want the denial to impact a future filing. 

 

Are you sure you can't still re-file even after a denial?  But also it seems incredibly unlikely you would be denied, as they approved your I-751 without issue. The evidence requirements are more extensive for that application.  Also in that RFE letter you posted it says 'may include but is not limited to'. It doesn't say 'must' include. 

 

If I was in your situation I would consult with my lawyer before proceeding. Or try an InfoPass appointment? You'll lose your filing fee and countless hours of prep time if you withdraw.  

If he refiles under 5 year rule we won't have the burden of producing relationship evidence.

[blackknight1609 28]

3 hours ago, corvusheart said:

The same and additional documents from after N400 was filed. We submitted everything with original N400. So when we replied to the RFE we sent everything that was already in the packet along with everything else we've accumulated after submitting N400. I didn't want to chance anything and just sent everything. Also the RFE specifically asked for 3 years worth of evidence of our marriage so that's why a lot of the stuff was from what we originally submitted. I listed above what we submitted hopefully it's good enough. I dont have anything more than what we have submitted.

 

Well if we get denied we will just have to reapply again under the 5 year rule which doesn't focus so much on the relationship. I just don't get it, if evidence of a relationship was a problem why was ROC approved so easily with no RFE?

 

Alright, let’s be realistic here for a moment. You sent the same document? Do you think the officer is dumb or stupid to not recognize he already has the same document????

 

by asking for more evidence, this mean they are not convinced with the papers and evidence you provide first time. By sending the same documents again to them. You will raise their suspicion again. 

 

Careful of what you doing here. You may red-flag your case by this action. Once your case is red flagged. Then good luck getting what you want from them. 

 

Just telling you here, USCIS now is auding all the cases with much more scrutiny and they will not grant anyone civic rights or naturalizations of they suspect something wrong. Any red flag will send your case to fraud officer then you will be deeply scrutinized and your file will be opened and every single detail will be revisited. 

 

Good luck everyone 

[corvusheart 163]

3 minutes ago, blackknight1609 said:

Alright, let’s be realistic here for a moment. You sent the same document? Do you think the officer is dumb or stupid to not recognize he already has the same document????

 

by asking for more evidence, this mean they are not convinced with the papers and evidence you provide first time. By sending the same documents again to them. You will raise their suspicion again. 

 

Careful of what you doing here. You may red-flag your case by this action. Once your case is red flagged. Then good luck getting what you want from them. 

 

Just telling you here, USCIS now is auding all the cases with much more scrutiny and they will not grant anyone civic rights or naturalizations of they suspect something wrong. Any red flag will send your case to fraud officer then you will be deeply scrutinized and your file will be opened and every single detail will be revisited. 

 

Good luck everyone 

Should we just withdraw it then? The RFE said to attach everything from the past 3 years.

Edited March 15, 2019 by corvusheart

[birchscott 17]

2 minutes ago, blackknight1609 said:

Alright, let’s be realistic here for a moment. You sent the same document? Do you think the officer is dumb or stupid to not recognize he already has the same document????

 

by asking for more evidence, this mean they are not convinced with the papers and evidence you provide first time. By sending the same documents again to them. You will raise their suspicion again. 

 

Careful of what you doing here. You may red-flag your case by this action. Once your case is red flagged. Then good luck getting what you want from them. 

 

Just telling you here, USCIS now is auding all the cases with much more scrutiny and they will not grant anyone civic rights or naturalizations of they suspect something wrong. Any red flag will send your case to fraud officer then you will be deeply scrutinized and your file will be opened and every single detail will be revisited. 

 

Good luck everyone 

It's a different officer reviewing at this point. As their own field manual says: The officer who conducts the re-verification is not the same officer who conducts the interview. 

 

In my case I brought literally hundreds of pages to our N-400 interview and they didn't even glance at them.  So if I had an RFE I would also submit much of what I already brought to the interview. 

[birchscott 17]

1 minute ago, corvusheart said:

Should we just withdraw it then? The RFE said to attach everything from the past 3 years.

You really need to consult with your lawyer.  That's a huge decision and it should absolutely not be decided by this forum.