Whether Students Carrying Their Own Guns Could Have Prevented Massacre

[Ban Hammer 13,293]

yes, but that's a red herring on your part. and like i said before numerous times, a cch holder does not advertise such. so how else would one know what a prof has under his/her clothes?

You grew up in Texas same as I did; you're telling me you can't tell when someone has a shoulder holster on?

another assumption on your part - shoulder holsters are not recommended for cch

in this case, some did. most probably just froze. but leaping from windows is not always an option is it?

Not always, but I say a broken leg beats getting shot. Even on 9/11 people jumped out of the World Trade Center knowing full well they wouldn't survive the jump; they weren't trying to save themselves, they just wanted some control over when and how they died. Sometimes it's the only bit of control you have.

yes, a broken leg beats getting shot. but if you can't jump and you have a shooter in the room, there's really only one option.

[homesick_american 1]

another assumption on your part - shoulder holsters are not recommended for cch

I don't know about you, but I can tell when someone's packing. It's usually obvious.

yes, a broken leg beats getting shot. but if you can't jump and you have a shooter in the room, there's really only one option.

Yep...find a hole and pull it over you.

[Ban Hammer 13,293]

another assumption on your part - shoulder holsters are not recommended for cch

I don't know about you, but I can tell when someone's packing. It's usually obvious.

then either you have a well trained eye or they are not doing something right, i lean towards the latter.

yes, a broken leg beats getting shot. but if you can't jump and you have a shooter in the room, there's really only one option.

Yep...find a hole and pull it over you.

[mRx 16]

perhaps they should mandate the wear of bullet proof vests in the dress code.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Personally this type of event is so rare in the overall picture of gun violence I'm not sure its justified demanding that students be allowed to carry. You simply can't predict / manage every risk that you're likely to encounter and changing the way you live based on a vague external threat (like psychotic students, or indeed terrorists) seems rather to justify paranoia.

[homesick_american 1]

then either you have a well trained eye or they are not doing something right, i lean towards the latter.

Little bit of both.

Nah; you'd be hiding too.

[KarenCee 3]

I haven't read through this whole thread yet...but...(and please understand, I haven't read everything about this horrible thing) how in the H3LL did he even get onto the campus with a gun? Do they NOT have any security? Is there no metal detectors in place? Yeah, yeah I know I probably sound ridiculous but I haven't read anything about this yet. We have metal detectors in courthouses and federal buildings...why not college campuses.

I guess the question is....should there be metal detectors in place on campuses everywhere? Would it have prevented this in some way if there were detectors installed? Oh I know, someone will say "well, if we do that we'll have to install them everywhere and there goes our rights and liberties". On the other side, I'm sure the families of those senselessly killed would have appreciated this measure of security. The aunt of one of the victims is a lady I've worked with for three years...I know her very well and I know she would probably agree. Her niece was 18...a first year student.

*sigh*

[homesick_american 1]

Personally this type of event is so rare in the overall picture of gun violence I'm not sure its justified demanding that students be allowed to carry. You simply can't predict / manage every risk that you're likely to encounter and changing the way you live based on a vague external threat (like psychotic students, or indeed terrorists) seems rather to justify paranoia.

Yep!

[KarenCee 3]

Personally this type of event is so rare in the overall picture of gun violence I'm not sure its justified demanding that students be allowed to carry. You simply can't predict / manage every risk that you're likely to encounter and changing the way you live based on a vague external threat (like psychotic students, or indeed terrorists) seems rather to justify paranoia.

There have been a few cases of school massacres in the last few years. No, they don't happen on a regular basis, but they DO happen. In my opinion, one time is too many. I've been in education for 12 years and you just never know who's going to snap. Of course that goes for any profession too I'm sure, but you can see the focus of these senseless killings has been mainly educational facilities. I guess in the overall picture of gun violence yes...it might be rare. If students are not going to be allowed to carry guns (I'm still not sure about that one m'self) then there *should* be stricter measures of protection in place to somehow prevent this type thing from happening. Many years ago one of my 7th grade students brought a pistol to school. There are no detectors in this school...then or now. How did I find out about it? He was bragging about it to a friend who didn't believe he had one. To prove it, he pulled it out and showed him...in the hallway...in full view and held it in the shooting position (pointed at the kid). The kid ran to my room to find me...end of the line for that kid for the rest of the year. Fortunately the gun was NOT loaded. But if it had been..... *sigh*

Courthouses have metal detectors because there have been courtroom killings. Federal buildings have them because there have been federal building killings. Why not college campuses? Why not high school campuses?

[homesick_american 1]

Courthouses have metal detectors because there have been courtroom killings. Federal buildings have them because there have been federal building killings. Why not college campuses? Why not high school campuses?

My high school got one after someone was shot and killed in front of a high school in the ghetto in Dallas. All it did was make us late for class...all to placate noid parents. Total waste of time if you ask me.

[Lisax 0]

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More than a year ago, Virginia Tech was at the center of a debate over whether students should be allowed to carry concealed weapons on its campus. The gun advocates lost that debate.

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Major Shootings on American College Campuses

[Mel_and_Daniel 1]

Personally this type of event is so rare in the overall picture of gun violence I'm not sure its justified demanding that students be allowed to carry. You simply can't predict / manage every risk that you're likely to encounter and changing the way you live based on a vague external threat (like psychotic students, or indeed terrorists) seems rather to justify paranoia.

There have been a few cases of school massacres in the last few years. No, they don't happen on a regular basis, but they DO happen. In my opinion, one time is too many. I've been in education for 12 years and you just never know who's going to snap. Of course that goes for any profession too I'm sure, but you can see the focus of these senseless killings has been mainly educational facilities. I guess in the overall picture of gun violence yes...it might be rare. If students are not going to be allowed to carry guns (I'm still not sure about that one m'self) then there *should* be stricter measures of protection in place to somehow prevent this type thing from happening. Many years ago one of my 7th grade students brought a pistol to school. There are no detectors in this school...then or now. How did I find out about it? He was bragging about it to a friend who didn't believe he had one. To prove it, he pulled it out and showed him...in the hallway...in full view and held it in the shooting position (pointed at the kid). The kid ran to my room to find me...end of the line for that kid for the rest of the year. Fortunately the gun was NOT loaded. But if it had been..... *sigh*

Courthouses have metal detectors because there have been courtroom killings. Federal buildings have them because there have been federal building killings. Why not college campuses? Why not high school campuses?

There have been incidents of school shootings in the US almost every year since 1991...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_massacres

[mybackpages 0]

First off, when did legal resident aliens get permission to purchase weapons? I thought the 2nd amendment covered US citizens only.

Anyhow, a carrying, well trained student or faculty member could have ended the massacre.

This was an unbelievable event, conducted by an already suspect psychotic. Mind boggling.

States are not required to follow the rule of the 2nd amendemnt because it has never been incorported. It only applies to the national government.

Edited April 19, 2007 by mybackpages

[Ban Hammer 13,293]

then either you have a well trained eye or they are not doing something right, i lean towards the latter.

Little bit of both.

Nah; you'd be hiding too.

i rarely go where i can't carry

[homesick_american 1]

i rarely go where i can't carry

So I guess you didn't go to college.