Average transgender soldier unable to deploy for 238 days

[IAMX 3,055]

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The average transgender soldier will spend 238 days recovering from sex change surgeries and unavailable to deploy, according to an Obama administration study.

The Trump administration's transgender ban places deployability as a determining factor into whether to admit transgender individuals into the military. The White House outlined guidelines to implement the ban within six months in a memo to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

The ability to be deployed to war zones or bases around the world is an issue for transgender soldiers who undergo taxpayer-funded sex change operations, according to a study by the RAND Corporation.

 

 

 

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The average transgender soldier will spend 238 days recovering from sex change surgeries and unavailable to deploy, according to an Obama administration study.

The Trump administration's transgender ban places deployability as a determining factor into whether to admit transgender individuals into the military. The White House outlined guidelines to implement the ban within six months in a memo to Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, the Wall Street Journal reported Wednesday.

The ability to be deployed to war zones or bases around the world is an issue for transgender soldiers who undergo taxpayer-funded sex change operations, according to a study by the RAND Corporation.

The 2016 study was commissioned by the Obama administration, which favored opening the ranks to transgender individuals, and funded by the office of former secretary of defense Ash Carter.

The study found that, on average, transgender troops seeking basic sex-change operations would be nondeployable for 238 days, or 34 weeks out of a year. The figure amounts to 65 percent of one year.

"These constraints typically include a postoperative recovery period that would prevent any work and a period of restricted physical activity that would prevent deployment," the RAND study states.

"We note that these estimates do not account for any additional time required to determine medical fitness to deploy," the RAND study added. "Army guidelines, for example, do not permit deployment within six weeks of surgery."

The RAND study reported that male-to-female surgeries would cost 210 days of nondeployability, including medical leave and medical disability periods.

Breast augmentation and mammoplasty, which can include breast implants, would result in troops being unable to work for one week, up to six weeks of restricted physical activity, and up to 60 days of medical disability. The RAND study said breast augmentation would result in 75 days a servicemember could not be deployed.

Genital surgeries require a longer recovery period. RAND reported that a transgender person getting an orchiectomy, the surgical removal of the testicles, or a vaginoplasty, the construction of a #######, would be nondeployable for 135 days.

Nondeployable time for male-to-female genital surgeries includes four to six weeks of no work; eight-plus weeks restricted physical activity; up to 45 days medical leave; and up to 90 days medical disability.

Sue Fulton, the former president of Sparta, a military organization for LGBTQ individuals, told the Wall Street Journal that transgender individuals are "just as deployable as other service members," and compared the time off to undergoing a gall bladder surgery.

"Other service members may undergo procedures when they are at home base, just as other service members schedule shoulder surgery or gall bladder surgery," she said.

Most people return to normal activities 7 to 10 days after undergoing gall bladder surgery.

The RAND study also notes some individuals undergoing sex-change operations "experience postoperative complications that would render them unfit for duty."

The study states that between 6 to 20 percent of biological males receiving a vaginoplasty, or the construction of a #######, have complications. Up to 25 percent of biological females receiving phalloplasty surgery, or the construction of a #######, have medical complications, RAND said.

RAND found female-to-male transitions on average take longer recovery times, on average 267 days where they cannot be deployed.

The RAND study reported chest surgery, removal of the breasts, results in 75 days of nondeployability, and a hysterectomy leads to 111 days of nondeployability, including three weeks of medical leave and three months of medical disability.

Genital surgeries for female-to-male, including metoidioplasty, a surgery that enlarges the ####### to surgically create a #######, and phalloplasty, the construction of a #######, result in 81 days of nondeployable time.

Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R., Mo.), who supports President Donald Trump's action to ban transgender individuals in the military, says the RAND Corporation estimates are low, because they do not take into account other surgeries that transgender advocates say are "medically necessary."

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health deems other medical procedures, including scrotoplasty, surgery to create a #######, facial hair removal, facial plastic reconstruction, hair removal, and voice therapy or surgery, as medically necessary for Gender Dysphoria.

Using the RAND study estimates, Hartzler's office found a significant period of total nondeployable time based on the estimates of how many transgender troops would seek sex reassignments.

As the Washington Free Beacon previously reported, transgender surgeries would cost the Pentagon $1.3 billion over 10 years, assuming roughly 8,200 transgender troops undergo taxpayer-funded sex-change operations.

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/25/average-transgender-soldier-unable-to-deploy-for-238-days.html

 

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/average-transgender-soldier-unable-deploy-238-days/amp/

 

A billion dollars is a ton of money to waste on 100% elective surgery, and given how useless they are for the better part of a year, makes no sense to join the military until one has this problem out of the way first.

 

The bold quote saying that transgenders are "just as deployable" as other service members is pretty indicative of the stupidity surrounding this movement.

[IAMX 3,055]

Trump has taken a positive step in addressing this unnecessary waste of money:

 

 

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White House finally sets rules for transgender military ban

 

The White House has finally issued guidelines for the transgender military ban — sending a 2½-page memo to the Pentagon directing Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to enact the rules within six months.

Officials familiar with the document told the Wall Street Journal that the regulations will ultimately allow Mattis to consider a service member’s ability to deploy when deciding whether to give them the boot.

They will also give the Pentagon the power to deny admittance to transgender military members — and to halt spending on medical treatment for those currently serving, the sources said.

When weighing one’s “deployability,” Mattis reportedly will be looking at their ability to not only serve in a war zone, but also whether they can participate in exercises or live for months on a ship.

 

http://nypost.com/2017/08/23/white-house-finally-sets-rules-for-transgender-military-ban/

 

At best, if we take the idea that transgenderism, as noted by the APA, is a mental health problem.. that alone affects military fitness, as in, makes them unfit. 

 

Then when we consider the completely unnecessary costs of elective surgery, its using military funds as fun money to throw around.

 

Trump did a great job of addressing this costly problem.

Edited August 25, 2017 by IAMX

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Glad to hear this.  There is no place on the battlefield for them.  There are already too many people in America with mental disorders who have access to guns, right?

 

Taxpayer monies can be better spent on pay raises for soldiers or weapons, as opposed to TG surgeries and medication.

[jg121783 3,909]

If transgenders want to join the military I have no problem with that as long as they are ready to deploy immediately and not using military funds for elective surgeries.

[IAMX 3,055]

5 hours ago, jg121783 said:

If transgenders want to join the military I have no problem with that as long as they are ready to deploy immediately and not using military funds for elective surgeries.

A very fair assessment, add onto that, they have the same mental and physical fitness as everyone else.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

But that cannot happen, ever.  If a woman wants to become a man, is she held to the physical standards of a woman or a man?  If a man wants to be a woman, can he then drop to the lower physical requirements of a woman to get by?

 

1 hour ago, IAMX said:

A very fair assessment, add onto that, they have the same mental and physical fitness as everyone else.

 

[IAMX 3,055]

30 minutes ago, IDWAF said:

But that cannot happen, ever.  If a woman wants to become a man, is she held to the physical standards of a woman or a man?  If a man wants to be a woman, can he then drop to the lower physical requirements of a woman to get by?

 

 

Everyone would be held to the same physical and mental standards for each job, regardless of gender.

 

If that means most women, if not all, can't perform it.. regardless of what they identify as, oh well for them.

 

It's not to say that each transgender person is so mentally unfit they can't serve.. a lot of us have mental issues, and many can hide it. I have severe ADHD that I mostly can't hide, and on a rare occasion can. However, I was introspective enough after being assessed to realize that this would have been a detriment, along with my other issues during childhood with regard to lashing out at authority, and not to further pursue something I would not benefit myself nor the country I would have served in.

 

My father, for example, honorably served in the Marines, but his temper (which was a diagnosed hereditary trait) caused him to be honorably discharged earlier than he would have liked. Its good for all mental health considerations to be taken into effect, and transgenderism is one where mental health issues are drastically higher than others (given the extreme suicide rate as one example).

Edited August 26, 2017 by IAMX

[ready4ONE 5,400]

"Look! Shiny object to distract from the real problems of my abysmal failure of an Administration!" #GetRealDonaldTrump

 

Seriously this is pandering to an already chock full of prejudice base.

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

Just now, ready4ONE said:

"Look! Shiny object to distract from the real problems of my abysmal failure of an Administration!" #GetRealDonaldTrump

 

Seriously this is pandering to an already chock full of prejudice base.

So really what your saying is that Obama created loads of "Shiny Objects" to hide that he was really doing nothing and now Trump has to get rid of them. 

 

The 238 days lost from active service is a disgrace if someone has signed up or four or five years service. If someone wants to transition do it before or after service not during. 

 

[ready4ONE 5,400]

2 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

So really what your saying is that Obama created loads of "Shiny Objects" to hide that he was really doing nothing and now Trump has to get rid of them. 

 

The 238 days lost from active service is a disgrace if someone has signed up or four or five years service. If someone wants to transition do it before or after service not during. 

 

I don't think you should listen to Donald Trump and his alt-right alternative fact news sources. The military has already spoken on this issue and the problem is with prejudice and fear of transgendered not with the fake problem being used to mask the bigotry.

[IAMX 3,055]

2 minutes ago, ready4ONE said:

I don't think you should listen to Donald Trump and his alt-right alternative fact news sources. 

- Poster gives their own opinion

- "Listening to Donald Trump and alt-right news sources"

 

I thank you for the illustration of the kind of tantrums that is why the left are losing and will continue to lose for.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

1 minute ago, IAMX said:

- Poster gives their own opinion

- "Listening to Donald Trump and alt-right news sources"

 

I thank you for the illustration of the kind of tantrums that is why the left are losing and will continue to lose for.

Donald Trump didn't put out an assinine tweet immediately responded to with a big glass of shut up from the military?

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

1 minute ago, ready4ONE said:

I don't think you should listen to Donald Trump and his alt-right alternative fact news sources. The military has already spoken on this issue and the problem is with prejudice and fear of transgendered not with the fake problem being used to mask the bigotry.

It's my own personal view and didn't need any prompting from anyone or source. I have already commented on this subject in plenty of threads, it's my belief the government/military should not be paying for elective surgeries. Someone suggested in one of the other threads that they military pays for Viagra for troops, unless it's as a result of military service injury they should pay for their own Viagra.

 

I have no gripe whatsoever with transgenders in the military, I assume anyone who joins is subjected to some sort of mental capability exam and if they pass let them in, but if their issues affect them they should not be allowed join which is no different that any other individual.

 

Transition before or after not during. 

[Póg mo 1,749]

How come people are so worried about wasting money on transgender surgery, yet don't say anything about how much the US military spends on Viagra? Strange that? 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

2 minutes ago, Póg mo said:

How come people are so worried about wasting money on transgender surgery, yet don't say anything about how much the US military spends on Viagra? Strange that? 

I will hazard a guess...  the alt-right nazi's don't like transgenders but damn they love their Viagra