Republicans Must Tell Trump to Go – Now

[Dashinka 24,505]

7 hours ago, CaliCat said:

 

He was siding with the neo-Nazis, because they represent a good chunk of people who voted for him. He was appeasing his base. 

What is the number of neo-nazi and KKK types in the US?  Are we talking millions here, or something smaller?  Or is it just anyone that voted for Trump is automatically generalized as being a part of one of these groups?

[JayJayH 546]

On 8/16/2017 at 2:39 PM, Il Mango Dulce said:

History won't judge them kindly if they stand by the president

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/republicans-must-tell-trump-to-go-now-w498063

 

Forget impeachment. Forget Robert Mueller's investigation. Forget Russia. Well, don't forget them, but put them to the side for a moment. Investigations and impeachments and Senate trials take time, and we don't have time any more. The president has to go now, and it's up to his fellow Republicans to get him to leave.

 

I also think he's a terrible president, perhaps first and foremost for his lack of decency and failure to unequivocally and unapologetically denounce nazis on day one.

But it doesn't work that way. We live in a completely echo chambered world, where what you read and what people who support him read are completely different versions of reality.

 

Have a person read Slate for a month, and another read Breitbart for a month. One is going to believe everyone around him is an undercover klansman, while the other is going to believe all of his neighbors are slowly succumbing to sharia law. One is going to believe merely being a white male makes them a klansman lest they repent. The other is going to believe that white people are on the way to becoming slaves, lest something is done. They're not going to agree on anything, even objective, factual truths.

 

The main problem here is that Trump won the election in a clear electoral college victory - Meaning a larger geographic swathe of the country wanted him than Hillary Clinton in the White House. Even by popular vote he won nearly half. If he is impeached, then that's one thing, but the folks who voted for him are still going to number in the tens of millions, and they aren't going to change their minds about politics. Die hard Trump supporters have about as much faith in the RNC as die hard Bernie bros have in the DNC. The only way to really avoid future Trumps, or a left-wing lunatic version of Trump is to control the fringes of our own sides.

 

It's the GOP's job to call out hypocrisy and crazies on the far right. I don't trust a Republican who doesn't call out or acknowledge lunacy on the far right.

It's the Dems' job to call out hypocrisy and crazies on the far left. I don't trust a Democrat who doesn't call out or acknowledge lunacy on the far left.

 

Right now the fringes on both sides are being used as the useful idiots they are.

Edited August 18, 2017 by JayJayH

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 hours ago, JayJayH said:

I also think he's a terrible president, perhaps first and foremost for his lack of decency and failure to unequivocally and unapologetically denounce nazis on day one.

But it doesn't work that way. We live in a completely echo chambered world, where what you read and what people who support him read are completely different versions of reality.

 

Have a person read Slate for a month, and another read Breitbart for a month. One is going to believe everyone around him is an undercover klansman, while the other is going to believe all of his neighbors are slowly succumbing to sharia law. One is going to believe merely being a white male makes them a klansman lest they repent. The other is going to believe that white people are on the way to becoming slaves, lest something is done. They're not going to agree on anything, even objective, factual truths.

 

The main problem here is that Trump won the election in a clear electoral college victory - Meaning a larger geographic swathe of the country wanted him than Hillary Clinton in the White House. Even by popular vote he won nearly half. If he is impeached, then that's one thing, but the folks who voted for him are still going to number in the tens of millions, and they aren't going to change their minds about politics. Die hard Trump supporters have about as much faith in the RNC as die hard Bernie bros have in the DNC. The only way to really avoid future Trumps, or a left-wing lunatic version of Trump is to control the fringes of our own sides.

 

It's the GOP's job to call out hypocrisy and crazies on the far right. I don't trust a Republican who doesn't call out or acknowledge lunacy on the far right.

It's the Dems' job to call out hypocrisy and crazies on the far left. I don't trust a Democrat who doesn't call out or acknowledge lunacy on the far left.

 

Right now the fringes on both sides are being used as the useful idiots they are.

Just reading Slate or just reading Brietbart is an individual choice. Walking into MacDonalds everyday and saying yes when they ask if you want to super size is a personal choice.  We both know what happens to your intellect and body when a person gets stuck in a rut. Folks are getting their political fix the same way the salt fat and heat of those Mickey D fries light up the pleasure center.

 

I don't know why we now accept the rampant whataboutism , the poltics of personal destruction, the culture wars, the politics of hostage taking and the love of your political tribe over even ones own friends and family has become the norm but it has, to the detriment of our personal and collective lives.

 

I had a great conversation with Sherman Alexie about why he quit Twitter: "it's all ID man. hatred, bile and destruction, nothing to be learned"

 

The antidote as I see it is personal responsibility. Turn off the 24hour news cycle ,twitter, Facebook, Reddit and (dare I say) this forum and pick up a book like brothers Karamazov, go to a lecture on Rhetoric, Arguments,  logic and Philosophy.  Read Cherchow, Goodwin and Haberstam to get perspective on how Hamilton, Lincoln, Washington and Jackie Robinson navigated their times. 

 

DJT promised us, on live television, that he will take all the oxygen from the room. And true to his word, he delivered. You cannot turn on the news or look at your Google feed without three or four stories on him and what bat stuff crazy thing he did today. We don't debate healthcare, taxes, the environment or infrastructure because we are too worn out  watching  all the leaking , tweeting and ranting go down. 

 

 His poll numbers may take a hit when out Trumps himself...but that is what gets him out of bed.

 

Now if you will excuse me, I need to see what our fearless leader has tweeted

Edited August 18, 2017 by Il Mango Dulce

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On 8/18/2017 at 6:23 AM, JayJayH said:

 

 

It's the GOP's job to call out hypocrisy and crazies on the far right. I don't trust a Republican who doesn't call out or acknowledge lunacy on the far right.

It's the Dems' job to call out hypocrisy and crazies on the far left. I don't trust a Democrat who doesn't call out or acknowledge lunacy on the far left.

 

Right now the fringes on both sides are being used as the useful idiots they are.

Hypocrisy rampant everywhere but each side only sees the others'.