"white pride" vs "black pride"

[IAMX 3,055]

4 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

 

Obviously you missed the point in the context of what has happened over the weekend and yesterday. 

I understood the context quite well..

 

 

 

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[Póg mo 1,749]

21 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Gotta say, if the worst the Nazis did was hit a group of protesters with a car...

 

Of course, we're talking this vs. systematic genocide. Which, to the left, is one and the same. 

 

 

No, the Nazis have done a lot worse and it's part of the reason why anyone identifing as a Nazi can expect to ridiculed, and rightly so.  

[LionessDeon 2,060]

16 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Again, virtually everyone who could trade their heritage far back enough would find the same thing. Human history isn't very nice.

 

Her being an adult doesn't explain his close relationship to both of them, especially if it includes supremacist views as you liken him to.

 

Being someone who does have supremacists in his family, I know exactly how they behave. My mother was told not to have relationships with black people and upon having a half black daughter, a number of those people had absolutely nothing to do with her and my sister. There's something tangible that manifests itself if this argument has any credence, thus far it's 100% assertion and presumption. Hence, tantrums.

Maybe accept would be a better word than allow.  Maybe he has accepted it, tolerated it, but not necessarily agrees with it.

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, Póg mo said:

No, the Nazis have done a lot worse

Indeed they did.

 

Which is why these people are not Nazis.

 

Otherwise, people hashtagging #DeusVult are terrorist Crusaders. Quack quack?

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, LionessDeon said:

Maybe accept would be a better word than allow.  Maybe he has accepted it, tolerated it, but not necessarily agrees with it.

Now you're arguing something subjective. The left who argue this have absolutely nothing tangible to back this terrible psychological assessment up with.

[jg121783 3,915]

1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

you don't think the fbi is to be trusted, lol  george soros has nothing to do with blm and i'm pretty sure he wasn't at saturday's rally whining 'jews will not replace us"

No nothing at all. He only bank rolls them.

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, IAMX said:

What does it matter whether or not it's documented? Humans came from the same place. 

 

The argument of history already has no bearing on today since people today don't experience the sort of stuff they're arguing against. No one can name a living black person who was brought over here as a slave. Pretty much everyone who ever experienced the Holocaust (and survived) is dead, and I'm pretty sure Trump is nothing like Hitler. The KKK that systematically committed atrocious acts upon black people is long gone, and are relegated to whining amongst their own echo chambers in cities/congregations or in corners of the internet like Stormfront. So, basically no worse than expressed racism from virtually everyone else.

 

The comparison to these things actually diminishes what people who were subject to these circumstances went through.. not that tantrum throwers care, because they're merely trying to get their way by lashing out like a 5 year old at anything they disagree with. The continued focus on white people (from other white people) comes primarily from those who both want to get their way politically, and/or those who feel excessive amount of guilt for things other people did and think overreacting is the way to get moral penance. 

I agree with you that no one today experiences the tragic events that unfolded in the past, I'm not talking about that. Though I am aware there are a group of people who believe that black people today deserve some sort of reparations. I'm not one of them.

 

What matters is that I can tell you my family's identity. I can tell you that my maternal grandmother's father was born in sicily, and her mother was born in Verona. If I wanted to I could go back further. I could learn about my family, embrace my history and have pride for where I come from. Italian, English and Scottish ancestry. My family history is only limited by historical record keeping (for example, one grandmother's records were destroyed in a fire and we have trouble going back further because of that).

 

A black person whose ancester came here as a slave can trace their history to that slave, but then they can't go any further. Not because records were lost. It was because they weren't kept. Why weren't they kept? Because their ancester was sold like an object.

 

That black person can't have pride for being of a certain culture. They don't know what culture their ancesters come from. Africa is huge, slaves were taken from vast areas. They have no idea where they are from. So they are left with having pride for being "Black" or "African American" while I can have pride for being Scottish, British, Italian and could even (if I wanted to) travel to Sicily and find a town where my ancesters were 250 years ago.

[IAMX 3,055]

1 minute ago, bcking said:

I agree with you that no one today experiences the tragic events that unfolded in the past, I'm not talking about that. Though I am aware there are a group of people who believe that black people today deserve some sort of reparations. I'm not one of them.

 

What matters is that I can tell you my family's identity. I can tell you that my maternal grandmother's father was born in sicily, and her mother was born in Verona. If I wanted to I could go back further. I could learn about my family, embrace my history and have pride for where I come from. Italian, English and Scottish ancestry. My family history is only limited by historical record keeping (for example, one grandmother's records were destroyed in a fire and we have trouble going back further because of that).

 

A black person whose ancester came here as a slave can trace their history to that slave, but then they can't go any further. Not because records were lost. It was because they weren't kept. Why weren't they kept? Because their ancester was sold like an object.

 

That black person can't have pride for being of a certain culture. They don't know what culture their ancesters come from. Africa is huge, slaves were taken from vast areas. They have no idea where they are from. So they are left with having pride for being "Black" or "African American" while I can have pride for being Scottish, British, Italian and could even (if I wanted to) travel to Sicily and find a town where my ancesters were 250 years ago.

You made a nice post (not sarcasm), but I'm failing to see what this has to do with the premise of what started our back and forth.

Edited August 16, 2017 by IAMX

[bcking 3,157]

1 minute ago, IAMX said:

You made a nice post (not sarcasm), but I'm failing to see what this has to do with the premise of what started our back and forth.

Well my point came from comparing "White pride" to "Black pride"

 

White pride is strange to me, since practically every white person can tell you more about their identity beyond the fact that they are white. Culturally, you can go back much further. I'm not proud to be White. I'm proud to be American with Scottish, English and Italian heritage. 

 

Black pride, in part (merely my opinion keep in mind)) stems from the fact that they can't go back much further. They can be proud to be an American (just like I can and every American can), but if they try to go back further they get stuck at "West African" (mostly, obviously there were other origins).

 

Now some white people can only trace their ancestry back to those who immigrated to the US, but typically that is because a record was lost or not well kept. For the black person, it isn't by "accident". It was by design. Their ancester was purchased as an object and there was never any intention for them to remember where they came from and what their heritage was.

 

We are only talking about pride here in the context of one's heritage. The other major context, for me, is in the achievements of people who are in minority groups or who have overcome adversity. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 hours ago, jg121783 said:

Liberal logic: white supremacist bad, black supremacist good.

 

Common sense: white and black supremacists are both bad.

 

     First off, you may want to avoid denigrating an entire group that way.  Second, it makes no sense to suggest a demographic that large thinks exactly the same way It is difficult to base a discussion around such a premise and is more of a reflection on you. Third, all forms of supremacy are racist by definition. Finally, the original post is talking about pride, not supremacy. Unless it said something different before it was edited, It would be nice if you could give posters a few minutes to address the original subject before we go off topic.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, IAMX said:

If that were the case why would he allow his daughter to convert to Judaism and marry a Jew? If he's a supremacist and all.. 

   How would he stop her? She is an adult.

[IAMX 3,055]

15 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

   How would he stop her? She is an adult.

It's not about stopping her.. why would he allow her and her Jewish husband to play such a prominent role in his administration. Not how a supremacist or Jew hater would act. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, IAMX said:

 

 

The argument of history already has no bearing on today since people today don't experience the sort of stuff they're arguing against. No one can name a living black person who was brought over here as a slave. Pretty much everyone who ever experienced the Holocaust (and survived) is dead, and I'm pretty sure Trump is nothing like Hitler. The KKK that systematically committed atrocious acts upon black people is long gone, and are relegated to whining amongst their own echo chambers in cities/congregations or in corners of the internet like Stormfront. So, basically no worse than expressed racism from virtually everyone else.

 

 

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 hour ago, IAMX said:

I understood the context quite well..

 

 

 

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wait, where it the context that includes all of the bigoted racist violence committed by the protesters in Charlottesville who were funded by George Soros to attack the nice AltRighters who came from all over the country to defend (our)heritage and explain in kind gentle terms how the people of  Charlottesville got it wrong.  Next thing you know, we will be tearing down Monticello.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 minutes ago, Il Mango Dulce said:

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. 

 

      Seriously. The KKK, for example, has disappeared as a visible entity several times in American history only to resurface more prominently than ever. They're like a festering scab on the face of humanity. The last thing you do is ignore it and hope they go away.