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6 minutes ago, Eric-Pris said:

I'm pretty sure your reading comprehension skills need improvement.  I didn't say anything about slavery.  My comment had to do with the statement that blacks can have black pride but whites can't have black pride because blacks can trace their ancestry to general region of Africa whereas whites trace their ancestry to specific countries.

The reason the majority of African-Americans cannot say they are "Congolese" or "Ghanaian" or "Nigerian" is because their ancestors were forced here on ships as slaves.

 

It isn't just "convenience" that they don't have a historical cultural identity that they can identify with. I'm sure most of them would gladly give up that history so that they could celebrate their heritage tracing back further than roughly 200 years. 

 

And just so we're clear - You can't cry "reading comprehension skills" when your post contained two words. You left it vague. There is no "reading comprehension" involved when all you say is "very convenient". 

 

(Also - I'm pretty sure even you wouldn't argue that whites can have black pride... ;))

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7 minutes ago, IAMX said:

In human history only recently has slavery really begun to be abolished, so pretty much everyone that can trace their heritage far back enough would find the same thing. As to how this translates into the current arguments being made (and ever convenient outrage+embellishments being expressed).. beats me, it doesn't stem from logic anyways.

Most white people, if they wanted to, could continue to trace their ancestry back until there was a lack of proper documentation of marriages/births. 

 

Many black people in American can trace their ancestry back only to the point where an ancestor was purchased as an object.

 

For the white person the trail ends because of poor documentation and historical records. For the black person it ends because their ancestor was treated like a fancy chair.

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1 minute ago, IAMX said:

If that were the case why would he allow his daughter to convert to Judaism and marry a Jew? If he's a supremacist and all.. :lol:

Because she's a grown adult.

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3 minutes ago, bcking said:

Most white people, if they wanted to, could continue to trace their ancestry back until there was a lack of proper documentation of marriages/births. 

 

Many black people in American can trace their ancestry back only to the point where an ancestor was purchased as an object.

 

For the white person the trail ends because of poor documentation and historical records. For the black person it ends because their ancestor was treated like a fancy chair.

Again, virtually everyone who could trade their heritage far back enough would find the same thing. Human history isn't very nice.

 

3 minutes ago, LionessDeon said:

Because she's a grown adult.

Her being an adult doesn't explain his close relationship to both of them, especially if it includes supremacist views as you liken him to.

 

Being someone who does have supremacists in his family, I know exactly how they behave. My mother was told not to have relationships with black people and upon having a half black daughter, a number of those people had absolutely nothing to do with her and my sister. There's something tangible that manifests itself if this argument has any credence, thus far it's 100% assertion and presumption. Hence, tantrums.

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It makes me laugh when white people complain about Black History month. They use the stupid argument of saying well why don't we have a white History month, that's because it's white history month EVERY month of the year.

 

Just want to add, anyone on here who is defending Trump's actions or words from yesterday is an enabler.  65% of White Males who voted for Trump during the election need to look in the mirror quick and self reflect on what this man stands for.

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3 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

It makes me laugh when white people complain about Black History month.

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3 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

 65% of White Males who voted for Trump during the election need to look in the mirror quick and self reflect on what this man stands for.

And no one else who voted for Trump? :lol: Racism and sexism alert.

 

If you have an issue with Trump it might be wiser to identify the reasons so many people, especially Obama voters, helped him win. Without those Obama voters, without moderates and independents, he doesn't win.

 

But that's logic speaking.. carry on with the tantrums.

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1 minute ago, IAMX said:

Again, virtually everyone who could trade their heritage far back enough would find the same thing. Human history isn't very nice.

 

You missed my point.

 

I'm talking about known documented heritage. Yes many of us probably 2000 years ago had an ancestor who was a slave. But you can't trace your ancestry that far back, neither can I. So it's kind of a moot point. 

 

White people can trace their ancestry back until documentation is limited and records are scarce. That is the stopping point. For example, a relative of mine traced my maternal grandfather's family history back 400+ years and then had to stop because they didn't have any further records of births/marriages. My ancestry records don't end because my great great (etc...) grandfather was bought and sold. They end because we don't have the documentation of marriages/births from the 1600's to go back further.

 

An African-American whose ancestors were brought over on ships as slaves has to stop researching their ancestry at the point of "purchase" of their ancestor. They were property. No one cared who their parents were, where they came from. It stops there. That would be roughly 200 years ago.

 

The difference there should be pretty apparent. 

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3 minutes ago, IAMX said:

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And no one else who voted for Trump? :lol: Racism and sexism alert.

 

If you have an issue with Trump it might be wiser to identify the reasons so many people, especially Obama voters, helped him win. Without those Obama voters, without moderates and independents, he doesn't win.

 

But that's logic speaking.. carry on with the tantrums.

 

Obviously you missed the point in the context of what has happened over the weekend and yesterday. 

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10 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

It makes me laugh when white people complain about Black History month. They use the stupid argument of saying well why don't we have a white History month, that's because it's white history month EVERY month of the year.

Utter rubbish.

 

BTW- Why are there black colleges, but there are no white colleges?  Let me guess, EVERY college is a white college, especially the better and more expensive ones, right?  The only difference is that blacks are not actively excluded from the "white" colleges.  If they can make the grades and can afford it, they attend.  There are many blacks at Stanford, Harvard, Yale, etc.  The same can't be said for the black colleges, can it?  It's exclusionary, enough said.

 

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1 minute ago, Eric-Pris said:

Utter rubbish.

 

BTW- Why are there black colleges, but there are no white colleges?  Let me guess, EVERY college is a white college, especially the better and more expensive ones, right?  The only difference is that blacks are not actively excluded from the "white" colleges.  If they can make the grades and can afford it, they attend.  There are many blacks at Stanford, Harvard, Yale, etc.  The same can't be said for the black colleges, can it?  It's exclusionary, enough siad.

Wow.

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2 minutes ago, Eric-Pris said:

Utter rubbish.

 

BTW- Why are there black colleges, but there are no white colleges?  Let me guess, EVERY college is a white college, especially the better and more expensive ones, right?  The only difference is that blacks are not actively excluded from the "white" colleges.  If they can make the grades and can afford it, they attend.  There are many blacks at Stanford, Harvard, Yale, etc.  The same can't be said for the black colleges, can it?  It's exclusionary, enough siad.

I'm not aware of any "black colleges" that would deny your application because you are white.

 

Can you give me some examples?

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7 minutes ago, IAMX said:

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If you have an issue with Trump it might be wiser to identify the reasons so many people, especially Obama voters, helped him win. Without those Obama voters, without moderates and independents, he doesn't win.

 

But that's logic speaking.. carry on with the tantrums.

This is 1000% correct.  We as a country really do need to evaluate that.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

I'm talking about known documented heritage. Yes many of us probably 2000 years ago had an ancestor who was a slave. But you can't trace your ancestry that far back, neither can I. So it's kind of a moot point. 

What does it matter whether or not it's documented? Humans came from the same place. 

 

The argument of history already has no bearing on today since people today don't experience the sort of stuff they're arguing against. No one can name a living black person who was brought over here as a slave. Pretty much everyone who ever experienced the Holocaust (and survived) is dead, and I'm pretty sure Trump is nothing like Hitler. The KKK that systematically committed atrocious acts upon black people is long gone, and are relegated to whining amongst their own echo chambers in cities/congregations or in corners of the internet like Stormfront. So, basically no worse than expressed racism from virtually everyone else.

 

The comparison to these things actually diminishes what people who were subject to these circumstances went through.. not that tantrum throwers care, because they're merely trying to get their way by lashing out like a 5 year old at anything they disagree with. The continued focus on white people (from other white people) comes primarily from those who both want to get their way politically, and/or those who feel excessive amount of guilt for things other people did and think overreacting is the way to get moral penance. 

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