Moving Guide

[Yodrak 7]

CountryBoy,

I'd be surprised if that has happened - a post moved and then moved back to its' original forum.

With each move the Organizer has the option to leave a link behind or not. The default is to leave a link behind, and I'm sure that all Organizers accept the default unless they have some good reason not to.

I have seen a few cases where a post was moved from A to B, and then from B to C, and the Organizer opted to not leave a link behind in B when moving the post to C.

Yodrak

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If a post is moved from Forum A to Forum B to Forum C and then back to Forum A ..

Would this place links in the associated forums as well as maintain the post in its original forum? Would this be too much to ask from forum moderators?

CB

[meauxna 15]

Not directly related, but an organizing question:

What about cross posted threads? People clearly see that there is more than one place they can put their thread, so they do.

I think it contributes to some of the current problems.

Edited April 18, 2007 by meauxna

[CountryBoy 0]

Yodrak,

So if a post is moved from Forum A to Forum B and the moderator opted NOT TO leave a link to the original post there, and then the same moderator moved the same post from Forum B back to Forum A and opted TO leave a link to it there then the post would be back in the original forum and a link would be placed in the second forum.

MichelleAndCraig,

If the move was accomplished as I described in my reply to Yodrak immediately above, then there would only be one link and one post .. exactly the same number as if the post was simply moved. Voila, no more mess than if a post is moved, no toes being stepped on, and information valuable to VJ members readily available in both forums. The only thing is that the Organizer/Scout would have to make an additional move and with the first move would have to choose not to leave a link to the original post, but since you said that the work isnt' an issue .. that shouldn't be a problem.

As far as asking Captain Ewok goes, I am creating a discussion with the "movers" .. and not just the three that have replied to this suggestion, but all of them that are taking the time to read and consider the idea. If all I get are negative responses to this suggestion, then I will abandon it.

And finally, for the back button statement .. I personally feel that when I post a message to a forum and it gets moved that I have been "cheated" from sharing information with my "online family" as the post slowly disappears into the abyss of moved threads on page whatever since it cannot be bumped back to the top of my forum of choice as people reply.

Someone stated in a post some time back, (I am paraphrasing) "If you don't like the way it is done, come up with something that will work." I have made the two suggestions posted within this thread in an attempt to satisfy the needs of the community while addressing member concerns without predjudice toward posters or moderators. I am not a mover and shaker, I just wholeheartedly believe that every issue can be resolved by discussing it.

I wish someone would try the suggestion that I have made in this post just one time to see if it can be done. I don't have the ability or clearance to do so, therefore I cannot.

Thanks to all Organizers/Scouts that take the time to read and consider this idea. I apologize for my post from yesterday bringing down so much heat on you guys and gals, I really do appreciate the job that everyone does here at VJ.

CB

[Yodrak 7]

CB,

Correct. But I can't think of a reason why an Organizer would want to do such a thing.

I can think of a reason why they would do just the opposite. Move from A to B leaving a link in A so that the original poster can find their thread again, then perhaps move from B back to A without leaving a link in B because they realize they should not have moved the thread in the first place.

I don't think that any Organizers move threads for the thrill of it, they do it because they honestly believe the thread is more appropriate on another forum. There are, I'm sure, some differences of opinion among organizers, and some move threads that others would leave alone. But I do not see the differences of opinion being so great that threads start jumping from forum to forum as different Organizers look at them and come to different conclusions about them. I do recall one thread quite a while back that was moved by one Organizer and then was moved back to its' original forum by another Organizer. The two quickly discovered who each other was and resolved the difference of opinion without another move.

Yodrak

Yodrak,

So if a post is moved from Forum A to Forum B and the moderator opted NOT TO leave a link to the original post there, and then the same moderator moved the same post from Forum B back to Forum A and opted TO leave a link to it there then the post would be back in the original forum and a link would be placed in the second forum.

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CB

Edited April 18, 2007 by Yodrak

[meauxna 15]

I can think of one reason: they are curious by nature.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=64560

That didn't really relate to what you guys wrote, but it was a perfect segue...

Edited April 18, 2007 by meauxna

[Jenn! 918]

CB,

Correct. But I can't think of a reason why an Organizer would want to do such a thing.

I can think of a reason why they would do just the opposite. Move from A to B leaving a link in A so that the original poster can find their thread again, then perhaps move from B back to A without leaving a link in B because they realize they should not have moved the post in the first place.

Yodrak

Yodrak,

So if a post is moved from Forum A to Forum B and the moderator opted NOT TO leave a link to the original post there, and then the same moderator moved the same post from Forum B back to Forum A and opted TO leave a link to it there then the post would be back in the original forum and a link would be placed in the second forum.

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CB

I understand what he is saying. Because there seems to be some dissatisfaction among those who get their posts moved, he suggests that the post stay where it is, but put a link to the post in the more appropriate forum. I assume the thought is that everyone would be happy - the OP has his post where he wanted it in the first place, and the link to the post would be in the correct forum so that people browsing that forum could be directed to relevant posts that are not located in that forum.

IMO, I think it's a bit complicated.

[meauxna 15]

If the move was accomplished as I described in my reply to Yodrak immediately above, then there would only be one link and one post ..

As far as asking Captain Ewok goes, I am creating a discussion with the "movers" .. and not just the three that have replied to this suggestion, but all of them that are taking the time to read and consider the idea. If all I get are negative responses to this suggestion, then I will abandon it.

And finally, for the back button statement .. I personally feel that when I post a message to a forum and it gets moved that I have been "cheated" from sharing information with my "online family" as the post slowly disappears into the abyss of moved threads on page whatever since it cannot be bumped back to the top of my forum of choice as people reply.

CB,

Looks like it leaves a breadcrumb each time.. there are now two lines in this forum for the same thread. BUT, I left a referral with each move. I'll try it again if you think it will do something, but I think the result will be the same.

As far as discussing with the movers, by all means, but we have no influence or pull with Ewok, and it really is all his decision to make. I appreciate you coming up with suggestions!

To the last para.. I'm not sure exactly what you mean there. But, it's common to post the same helpful info over and over and over again.. may as well get used to that because I've yet to see another solution!

[CountryBoy 0]

Yodrak,

Thanks for considering it anyways.

I'll try saying it another way.

I make a post in my forum of choice, I post it there because I want the people there to read it and share ideas, joys etc. .. and I want it to be able to continue to bump to the top of that forum as people reply to it. Say now that JOE ORGANIZER decides that because information within my post is valuable in say the "CONSULATE" forum .. I would agree more than likely, but when he moves it my post in my forum of choice gets a moved flag and as people reply to it the post moves to the top of the receiving forum's thread list and not my forum of choice's thread list, rather it just slowly disappears into the abyss of moved threads at the end of my forum of choice .. now I am mad at whoever moved the thread, and since I don't know exactly who moved it I am mad at all organizers/scouts. I start calling them names like power hungry whatever and I am not happy and the mover isn't happy.

Two simple clicks can avoid the hostility in my opinion.

CB

CB,

Correct. But I can't think of a reason why an Organizer would want to do such a thing.

I can think of a reason why they would do just the opposite. Move from A to B leaving a link in A so that the original poster can find their thread again, then perhaps move from B back to A without leaving a link in B because they realize they should not have moved the post in the first place.

Yodrak

Yodrak,

So if a post is moved from Forum A to Forum B and the moderator opted NOT TO leave a link to the original post there, and then the same moderator moved the same post from Forum B back to Forum A and opted TO leave a link to it there then the post would be back in the original forum and a link would be placed in the second forum.

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CB

[CountryBoy 0]

Meauxna,

Thank you so much for doing that, you are the best.

Please do try without the referral on the first move.

CB

[Yodrak 7]

jenn,

I think that's a bit of an understatement. It calls upon Organizers to understand why the poster posted where they did in the first place. My sense is that in most cases the reason is some variation of because they don't know any better, and they can learn something - about the site and about immigration - by seeing the move.

Yodrak

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IMO, I think it's a bit complicated.

[LaL 418]

ok i get what CB is getting at here.. but in the scheme of things, is it more important to let your buddies know by way of a misplaced thread (according to the definitions of the forums) current goings on, or is it more helpful for the site to house information regarding separate steps in thie defined forums?

I mean, I see merit in what CB is suggesting, but I have to point out, at least in my neck of the woods, people generally tell their monthly classmates of the new *sitch* then post a stand alone thread about it.

Edited April 18, 2007 by lal_brandow

[meauxna 15]

ok i get what CB is getting at here.. but in the scheme of things, is it more important to let your buddies know by way of a misplaced thread (according to the definitions of the forums) current goings on, or is it more helpful for the site to house information regarding separate steps in thie defined forums?

I mean, I see merit in what CB is suggesting, but I have to point out, at least in my neck of the woods, people generally tell their monthly classmates of the new *sitch* then post a stand alone thread about it.

Yup. The fly in the ointment is that CB may actually be putting the thought into what he's doing in such a way that someone *would* want to help him out.

Then there's the 99% of folks who just will not catch a clue, pay less than zero attention, or know but don't care.

[Jenn! 918]

ok i get what CB is getting at here.. but in the scheme of things, is it more important to let your buddies know by way of a misplaced thread (according to the definitions of the forums) current goings on, or is it more helpful for the site to house information regarding separate steps in thie defined forums?

I mean, I see merit in what CB is suggesting, but I have to point out, at least in my neck of the woods, people generally tell their monthly classmates of the new *sitch* then post a stand alone thread about it.

Yup. The fly in the ointment is that CB may actually be putting the thought into what he's doing in such a way that someone *would* want to help him out.

Then there's the 99% of folks who just will not catch a clue, pay less than zero attention, or know but don't care.

Personally, I don't see a problem when people post in the subtitle of a thread "Please do not move." Although I'm sure that will be controversial as well!

[meauxna 15]

ok i get what CB is getting at here.. but in the scheme of things, is it more important to let your buddies know by way of a misplaced thread (according to the definitions of the forums) current goings on, or is it more helpful for the site to house information regarding separate steps in thie defined forums?

I mean, I see merit in what CB is suggesting, but I have to point out, at least in my neck of the woods, people generally tell their monthly classmates of the new *sitch* then post a stand alone thread about it.

Yup. The fly in the ointment is that CB may actually be putting the thought into what he's doing in such a way that someone *would* want to help him out.

Then there's the 99% of folks who just will not catch a clue, pay less than zero attention, or know but don't care.

Personally, I don't see a problem when people post in the subtitle of a thread "Please do not move." Although I'm sure that will be controversial as well!

Truthfully, that one makes me contrary.

Put the Regionals back into the Embassy area.. too much slicing and dicing has been done.. way too many subforums (is this the right thread.. ?)

[Yodrak 7]

CB,

Seems to me that what you need is a personal mailing list, not a public forum.

Are you sure that all "the people there" want to read your posts when they're off topic for that forum? Maybe the odd rare person might not care for your choices.

Yodrak

Yodrak,

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I make a post in my forum of choice, I post it there because I want the people there to read it and share ideas, joys etc. .. and I want it to be able to continue to bump to the top of that forum as people reply to it. .....

CB