More Than 1.1 Million Fewer Americans on Food Stamps Under Trump

[OriZ 3,157]

3 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Anything for lefties to avoid looking at themselves as the source of their own problems. It must be other people's fault they're lazy and useless.

 

What really needs to change is all those terrible wealthy people who took all this risk and reaped the reward, or those who simply made safe, productive decisions in life and reaped the reward of that. Society's real backbone is people sitting on their ### and demanding everyone else stoop to their level. 

I mean what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Eric-Pris 1,606]

Raising the minimum wage to $15 may help people get by in most places, but won't solve the problem in NYC.  It is going up to $15 by end of 2018 I believe, but for most people, it's still not enough.  And the reason is housing.  Rents in NYC have gone through the roof in the past 5-10 years.  Due to high home prices, more people are renting and that has diminished supply to a point where people are paying $2000/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment.  And I'm not talking about living in Manhattan (that's another level of crazy), I'm talking the outer boroughs (Brooklyn and Queens mostly). 

 

I won't pretend to have a fix.  I have no idea how to fix it.  But you can't keep raising the minimum wage.  It will just eliminate jobs.  The people who keep their jobs will do better, but most will lose their jobs as businesses cut back on labor costs.  The McDonald's (and now Burger King too) near me in Queens now have self-serve touch screen boards and only 2 registers, instead of 5-6.  You can order and pay, and then go to the pick up counter to get your food.  Most supermarkets are installing self-serve checkouts too. 

[IAMX 3,055]

20 minutes ago, OriZ said:

I mean what could possibly go wrong?

 

Look at all those zeroes! Oprah rich!

Edited August 9, 2017 by IAMX

[IAMX 3,055]

12 minutes ago, Eric-Pris said:

Most supermarkets are installing self-serve checkouts too. 

Benefit of higher minimum wages. 

 

Although, the left were told these things would happen, I guess they just wanted the result. Or they lived on another planet. Not sure which.

[OriZ 3,157]

13 minutes ago, Eric-Pris said:

Raising the minimum wage to $15 may help people get by in most places, but won't solve the problem in NYC.  It is going up to $15 by end of 2018 I believe, but for most people, it's still not enough.  And the reason is housing.  Rents in NYC have gone through the roof in the past 5-10 years.  Due to high home prices, more people are renting and that has diminished supply to a point where people are paying $2000/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment.  And I'm not talking about living in Manhattan (that's another level of crazy), I'm talking the outer boroughs (Brooklyn and Queens mostly). 

 

I won't pretend to have a fix.  I have no idea how to fix it.  But you can't keep raising the minimum wage.  It will just eliminate jobs.  The people who keep their jobs will do better, but most will lose their jobs as businesses cut back on labor costs.  The McDonald's (and now Burger King too) near me in Queens now have self-serve touch screen boards and only 2 registers, instead of 5-6.  You can order and pay, and then go to the pick up counter to get your food.  Most supermarkets are installing self-serve checkouts too. 

That's quite evil of you. You must hate poor people. Although I do have to say the silver lining with having higher wage pressures that lead to higher inflation is the Federal Reserve won't be able to engage in as much ZIRP and QE and maybe they'll stop doing nothing but disrupting and distorting financial markets.

Edited August 9, 2017 by OriZ

[IAMX 3,055]

5 minutes ago, OriZ said:

That's quite evil of you. You must hate poor people. Although I do have to say the silver lining with having higher wage pressures that lead to higher inflation is the Federal Reserve won't be able to engage in as much ZIRP and QE and maybe they'll stop doing nothing but disrupting and distorting financial markets.

You'll find a lot of alcoholics (stock market investors) who will fight you in a drunken frenzy because they want their punch bowl spiked.

 

Edited August 9, 2017 by IAMX

[OriZ 3,157]

2 minutes ago, IAMX said:

You'll find a lot of alcoholics (stock market investors) who will fight you in a drunken frenzy because they want their punch bowl spiked.

 

Any of the serious ones that I know - not the kids who pretend to know what they're doing - despise the fed. The other ones well we don't care about them as 96% of them are usually gone within 3 months after they start.

[yuna628 9,665]

1 hour ago, Eric-Pris said:

Raising the minimum wage to $15 may help people get by in most places, but won't solve the problem in NYC.  It is going up to $15 by end of 2018 I believe, but for most people, it's still not enough.  And the reason is housing.  Rents in NYC have gone through the roof in the past 5-10 years.  Due to high home prices, more people are renting and that has diminished supply to a point where people are paying $2000/mo for a 1 bedroom apartment.  And I'm not talking about living in Manhattan (that's another level of crazy), I'm talking the outer boroughs (Brooklyn and Queens mostly). 

 

I won't pretend to have a fix.  I have no idea how to fix it.  But you can't keep raising the minimum wage.  It will just eliminate jobs.  The people who keep their jobs will do better, but most will lose their jobs as businesses cut back on labor costs.  The McDonald's (and now Burger King too) near me in Queens now have self-serve touch screen boards and only 2 registers, instead of 5-6.  You can order and pay, and then go to the pick up counter to get your food.  Most supermarkets are installing self-serve checkouts too. 

But you have to admit that automation has not a lot to do with the prospect of paying someone a higher wage. Technology advances society but also tends to take over society and the need for labor. Why wouldn't a store chain want to eliminate most to all employees when a robot or a computer screen could do it all? It's inherently cheaper even if you paid an employee under minimum wage. There's other attractive factors - humans are increasingly becoming unable to know how to deal with each other in social/customer service interactions. It saves space, orders go smoother. The appeal of just punching your order on a screen and having it appear is always going to be faster and more attractive to business owners and customers alike. In some upscale grocers you can punch your entire order and have it delivered to you at pickup or at your door, or you can take a pad with you and scan it as you go. I actually see this working especially well in drive-thrus - where you could just input your order on a touchpad and pick it up at the window. It's the same for airlines, movie tickets, electronic touchpad patient registration, ordering takeout via the internet instead of struggling on the phone. Our local Chik-Fil-A discovered that people actually loathe speaking into the drive-thru speaker, so they put the kids to use outside with touchpads for each car. Things go faster when you aren't struggling to hear each other, and orders are completed faster via the touchpad. Self serve checkouts have always been around to a degree and are a good advancement for the industry. Yes there will be less job slots to fill, but they weren't going to pay those people a decent wage anyway... and a lot of kids these days just don't give a toss about customer service.

Edited August 9, 2017 by yuna628

[Teddy B 17,251]

10 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

But you have to admit that automation has not a lot to do with the prospect of paying someone a higher wage. Technology advances society but also tends to take over society and the need for labor. Why wouldn't a store chain want to eliminate most to all employees when a robot or a computer screen could do it all? It's inherently cheaper even if you paid an employee under minimum wage. There's other attractive factors - humans are increasingly becoming unable to know how to deal with each other in social/customer service interactions. It saves space, orders go smoother. The appeal of just punching your order on a screen and having it appear is always going to be faster and more attractive to business owners and customers alike. In some upscale grocers you can punch your entire order and have it delivered to you at pickup or at your door, or you can take a pad with you and scan it as you go. I actually see this working especially well in drive-thrus - where you could just input your order on a touchpad and pick it up at the window. It's the same for airlines, movie tickets, electronic touchpad patient registration, ordering takeout via the internet instead of struggling on the phone. Our local Chik-Fil-A discovered that people actually loathe speaking into the drive-thru speaker, so they put the kids to use outside with touchpads for each car. Things go faster when you aren't struggling to hear each other, and orders are completed faster via the touchpad. Self serve checkouts have always been around to a degree and are a good advancement for the industry. Yes there will be less job slots to fill, but they weren't going to pay those people a decent wage anyway... and a lot of kids these days just don't give a toss about customer service.

Exactly. It's crazy to think that a possible spike in minimum wage has anything to do with automation, these companies would be installing this equipment even if the humans worked for free.

[Dashinka 24,372]

16 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

But you have to admit that automation has not a lot to do with the prospect of paying someone a higher wage. Technology advances society but also tends to take over society and the need for labor. Why wouldn't a store chain want to eliminate most to all employees when a robot or a computer screen could do it all? It's inherently cheaper even if you paid an employee under minimum wage. There's other attractive factors - humans are increasingly becoming unable to know how to deal with each other in social/customer service interactions. It saves space, orders go smoother. The appeal of just punching your order on a screen and having it appear is always going to be faster and more attractive to business owners and customers alike. In some upscale grocers you can punch your entire order and have it delivered to you at pickup or at your door, or you can take a pad with you and scan it as you go. I actually see this working especially well in drive-thrus - where you could just input your order on a touchpad and pick it up at the window. It's the same for airlines, movie tickets, electronic touchpad patient registration, ordering takeout via the internet instead of struggling on the phone. Our local Chik-Fil-A discovered that people actually loathe speaking into the drive-thru speaker, so they put the kids to use outside with touchpads for each car. Things go faster when you aren't struggling to hear each other, and orders are completed faster via the touchpad. Self serve checkouts have always been around to a degree and are a good advancement for the industry. Yes there will be less job slots to fill, but they weren't going to pay those people a decent wage anyway... and a lot of kids these days just don't give a toss about customer service.

Why is that?  Do you have any papers discussing this?

[IAMX 3,055]

19 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

But you have to admit that automation has not a lot to do with the prospect of paying someone a higher wage. Technology advances society but also tends to take over society and the need for labor. Why wouldn't a store chain want to eliminate most to all employees when a robot or a computer screen could do it all? It's inherently cheaper even if you paid an employee under minimum wage. There's other attractive factors - humans are increasingly becoming unable to know how to deal with each other in social/customer service interactions. It saves space, orders go smoother. The appeal of just punching your order on a screen and having it appear is always going to be faster and more attractive to business owners and customers alike. In some upscale grocers you can punch your entire order and have it delivered to you at pickup or at your door, or you can take a pad with you and scan it as you go. I actually see this working especially well in drive-thrus - where you could just input your order on a touchpad and pick it up at the window. It's the same for airlines, movie tickets, electronic touchpad patient registration, ordering takeout via the internet instead of struggling on the phone. Our local Chik-Fil-A discovered that people actually loathe speaking into the drive-thru speaker, so they put the kids to use outside with touchpads for each car. Things go faster when you aren't struggling to hear each other, and orders are completed faster via the touchpad. Self serve checkouts have always been around to a degree and are a good advancement for the industry. Yes there will be less job slots to fill, but they weren't going to pay those people a decent wage anyway... and a lot of kids these days just don't give a toss about customer service.

Exactly so what good is forcing minimum wage upon a menial job that's expendable via automation once the investment in automation becomes more feasible than the menial labor? Doesn't make useless people any more useful.

[smilesammich 10,727]

now folks, this is the part in the show where alex jones starts screaming about fema camps and biodegradable coffins. whatever shall we do with all the useless people?

[Teddy B 17,251]

7 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

now folks, this is the part in the show where alex jones starts screaming about fema camps and biodegradable coffins. whatever shall we do with all the useless people?

Just a hunch but how bout we send them to Venezuela?

[Eric-Pris 1,606]

Automation was always going to happen but the increases in minimum wage just sped up the process a little.

 

I was listening to some radio talk show a few months ago and the host was discussing how robots, computers, automated checkouts, AI, etc is taking over all facets of life and commerce.  Eventually, robots may be able to replace most (if not all) human work.  But where's the limit?  Even if it's possible to replace all humans, will society let it happen?  People have to work, to make money to be able to support their families.  There's a lot of uncertainty to think where all this is going.  It's a little scary for our kids.

 

 

Edited August 9, 2017 by Eric-Pris

[IAMX 3,055]

5 minutes ago, Eric-Pris said:

Automation was always going to happen but the increases in minimum wage just sped up the process a little.

 

I was listening to some radio talk show a few months ago and the host was discussing how robots, computers, automated checkouts, AI, etc is taking over all facets of life and commerce.  Eventually, robots may be able to replace most (if not all) human work.  But where's the limit?  Even if it's possible to replace all humans, will society let it happen?  People have to work, to make money to be able to support their families.  There's a lot of uncertainty to think where all this is going.  It's a little scary for our kids.

 

 

Robots can only do so much. Just look at attempts to make driverless vehicles. 

 

To make driverless cars feasible roads, signs, etc. will have to be completely redesigned, since robots can't often go around human error, such as wrecked stop signs or graffiti that might prompt a driverless vehicle to speed up rather than stop.

 

So.. still need people to work on and fix the robots, being made by humans they're bound to screw up.

Edited August 9, 2017 by IAMX