Does age difference matter for K1? (split)

[Eric-Pris 1,607]

19 hours ago, Beachlover said:

Furthermore, TO is 60+ and not a kid. I assume he has enough life experience to make his own decisions. And many people have given him input regarding the red flags.

That may be true, but we have seen too many times where the USC falls in "love" and the scammer takes full advantage.  We lose our heads when we believe that we are in love.  We ignore obvious red flags and DON'T want to believe that the "love of my life" can be a scammer, despite clues to the contrary.

 

Everybody, whether 20 or 60, needs to hear this.  As to whether they will heed the advice... who knows, but at least people know that they tried to help.  I don't think that anybody writes these warnings or advice in bad faith, or for some other reason.  I think we all truly write it because we don't want to see what seems like a nice guy get scammed, especially near retirement age.  A financial hit at that age can be disastrous.

 

I can already see that the OP's heart has passed his brain on the way to Morocco.  His brain hasn't boarded the plane yet, but his heart is already at the layover airport ready to board the next flight.  Asking about fiancé visa after speaking to somebody through the internet for 3 months.  That seems crazy to me.  And saying that he's only asking about visa just in case it works out is not exactly true.  We all know that the reason you would ask about it is because you have been thinking about it.  If I had to guess, I'd say that OP has discussed with this woman the possibility of her coming to the US permanently.  We don't normally waste time researching things "just in case".  I know that I don't.  The 40 year age gap I itself should be a show stopper.  Ironic how so many 60 year olds who can't find a woman in the US are all of a sudden so charming and sexy to get 20 year olds in the 3rd world.  Never from a developed country, but from Latin America, South East Asia, Middle East, and Africa.

 

A good test would be to propose moving to her.  But you have to really sell it, she has to believe it's true.  Scammers know that this is something USC's use to test their partner's intentions.  You have to really make them believe it's possible.  Then if the alien is still on board, she is either real or just a good poker player.

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19 minutes ago, Eric-Pris said:

That may be true, but we have seen too many times where the USC falls in "love" and the scammer takes full advantage.  We lose our heads when we believe that we are in love.  We ignore obvious red flags and DON'T want to believe that the "love of my life" can be a scammer, despite clues to the contrary.

 

Everybody, whether 20 or 60, needs to hear this.  As to whether they will heed the advice... who knows, but at least people know that they tried to help.  I don't think that anybody writes these warnings or advice in bad faith, or for some other reason.  I think we all truly write it because we don't want to see what seems like a nice guy get scammed, especially near retirement age.  A financial hit at that age can be disastrous.

 

Nothing wrong with giving advice and listing potential red flags. But I have seen postings here that had nothing to do with giving advice but are crossing a line of what is considered appropriate. I guess it's a form of immigration forum deformation where people have seen to much fraud cases and became cynical.

 

The rest I totally agree with you and hopefully OP won't be blinded by his feelings but also remains some rationality. That way HE ( not us ) can determine whether this a genuine relationship or not.

Edited August 1, 2017 by Beachlover
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[Eric-Pris 1,607]

11 hours ago, Peot said:

And lastly, to most people who posted in this thread: This forum SHOULD be about the legality rather than crude assumptions, speculation, scare-tactics, and misinformation. You should be trying to HELP people find the proper and legal information they're looking for, not saying "there's no way she's into you". It's not our place (or the governments) to tell two complete strangers how they should think, feel, or act towards each other. If they want to get married, there is nothing at all to stop them, especially people's opinions on age.

I'd rather tell him ahead of time to be careful and don't get scammed, than 2 years from now when he comes back and tells us how his love took him for a lot of cash, broke  his heart, and went off with that 30 year old after she got her green card.

[USC1961 251]

12 hours ago, Peot said:

Elephant in the room or not, as you said, there is no legal basis for denial of the application. If they did deny it and age WAS a factor, it would mean a massive human-rights violation / age discrimination had been committed by a government body. That's not going to happen. Give me a break.

Actually it happens all the time.  Immigration is a privilege not a right so no human rights violations here.  Most importantly if a CO thinks there may be a scam going on they will deny the application.  The immigration process isn't a court of law.  And that is why it is the onus of the applicant to prove a legitimate relationship and not the other way around.  The CO doesn't have to disprove the relationship.  Their job is to protect the citizens and interests of the USA.  And if that means saving someone from being scammed, so be it.      

[USC1961 251]

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[amul 229]

8 hours ago, Taradao said:

To:GOING THROUGH.

Thank You for your advises and other people's comment here on my situation. I even question her about our age difference and she has no problem  with that. She told me that within the Arab  culture it is not unusual to see a large gap between the couple's age. As mentioned here , I do see a few red flags: age difference and race. I am Asian  by birth, prior citizenship is Brazilian, and I am highly educated,  got my citizenship because of my education( not bragging). I do speak 5 languages. Porquito English.

Going to be frank with you folks about this relationship with her. She is finishing college this year, stunningly beautiful (face and body), witty,  laughs at my corny jokes, holds the same family values like i do and one great asset most here will forget to ask their mates: she is a fantastic cook. Also, she speaks  4 languages, between the two us, we pretty  much can travel  most places and one of us could speak the language. My last relationship was a nightmare: she could not even cook pasta if her life depended on it, never did any laundry, and never pick up a vacuum  cleaner. That's only a few things, I am being  really kind to my ex ( she is a U.S. citizen)

Sorry for the rant, but when I get older and my eyesight is failing, I have a real good partner who can drive me around.

A lot of good advice has already been given, but I wanted to second the time spent / face time topic.

 

If you search VJ, you will notice a pattern that red flags on their own do not make or break a case. The VO will look at the case as a whole. 

 

Be truthful in your correspondence with USCIS/NVC etc. and spend a lot of time visiting your "girlfriend"/future fiancee. During your many visits (2-3 at least) and long stays (2-8 weeks and beyond), you should be able to gauge if the connection is real and move forward on your journey. I personally feel that being in the same space is totally different than video chatting or texting with someone. Not sure if this will be possible, but if you can share the same living quarters for a lengthy time, it can help a lot. 

Personally speaking, we made our decision to get married after several months of living and traveling together. What would break some relationships (stress, finances, life styles) made us bond irrevocably.

 

I would also suggest that if and when you are both ready, I would consider skipping the K1 visa and looking into the CR-1 instead. Just a few ideas...

 

Best of luck.

 

 

Edited August 1, 2017 by amul

[Taradao 4]

To Going Through: You guys have put in a lot of time answering my questions. It has been very helpful, and for that I thank all. I can stay  about 10 days each time because I am  taking  care of my 85 year old mother. During my absence, my brother  will take over the care for her.

I going to visit and see if we connect. That being said, I don't  intend to have  any sexual relations if possible because I don't  want any emotional attachment if things don't  work out. Remember, due to my age, the consulate may not approve the visa, and the last thing I want is to hurt anyone emotionally.

Although  I am Asian, I have live and reacted  to things like any good Southern man.  Btw, is cr-1 easier to obtain than a k-1?  You guys have been very helpful.

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[Going through 5,671]

4 minutes ago, Taradao said:

To Going Through: You guys have put in a lot of time answering my questions. It has been very helpful, and for that I thank all. I can stay  about 10 days each time because I am  taking  care of my 85 year old mother. During my absence, my brother  will take over the care for her.

I going to visit and see if we connect. That being said, I don't  intend to have  any sexual relations if possible because I don't  want any emotional attachment if things don't  work out. Remember, due to my age, the consulate may not approve the visa, and the last thing I want is to hurt anyone emotionally.

Although  I am Asian, I have live and reacted  to things like any good Southern man.  Btw, is cr-1 easier to obtain than a k-1?  You guys have been very helpful.

It sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders and approaching everything with some common sense.  I really hope things do work out for you, actually.

[caliliving 606]

9 minutes ago, Taradao said:

To Going Through: You guys have put in a lot of time answering my questions. It has been very helpful, and for that I thank all. I can stay  about 10 days each time because I am  taking  care of my 85 year old mother. During my absence, my brother  will take over the care for her.

I going to visit and see if we connect. That being said, I don't  intend to have  any sexual relations if possible because I don't  want any emotional attachment if things don't  work out. Remember, due to my age, the consulate may not approve the visa, and the last thing I want is to hurt anyone emotionally.

Although  I am Asian, I have live and reacted  to things like any good Southern man.  Btw, is cr-1 easier to obtain than a k-1?  You guys have been very helpful.

From Morocco. Yes the spousal visa is definitely viewed more in your favor and has a higher success rate. But you are still looking at a long time. 

[Taradao 4]

7 hours ago, Eric-Pris said:

That may be true, but we have seen too many times where the USC falls in "love" and the scammer takes full advantage.  We lose our heads when we believe that we are in love.  We ignore obvious red flags and DON'T want to believe that the "love of my life" can be a scammer, despite clues to the contrary.

 

Everybody, whether 20 or 60, needs to hear this.  As to whether they will heed the advice... who knows, but at least people know that they tried to help.  I don't think that anybody writes these warnings or advice in bad faith, or for some other reason.  I think we all truly write it because we don't want to see what seems like a nice guy get scammed, especially near retirement age.  A financial hit at that age can be disastrous.

 

I can already see that the OP's heart has passed his brain on the way to Morocco.  His brain hasn't boarded the plane yet, but his heart is already at the layover airport ready to board the next flight.  Asking about fiancé visa after speaking to somebody through the internet for 3 months.  That seems crazy to me.  And saying that he's only asking about visa just in case it works out is not exactly true.  We all know that the reason you would ask about it is because you have been thinking about it.  If I had to guess, I'd say that OP has discussed with this woman the possibility of her coming to the US permanently.  We don't normally waste time researching things "just in case".  I know that I don't.  The 40 year age gap I itself should be a show stopper.  Ironic how so many 60 year olds who can't find a woman in the US are all of a sudden so charming and sexy to get 20 year olds in the 3rd world.  Never from a developed country, but from Latin America, South East Asia, Middle East, and Africa.

 

A good test would be to propose moving to her.  But you have to really sell it, she has to believe it's true.  Scammers know that this is something USC's use to test their partner's intentions.  You have to really make them believe it's possible.  Then if the alien is still on board, she is either real or just a good poker player.

Taradao here: btw, she has told me in several instances, that I should  move to Morocco  and be with her. I am taking care of my elderly  mother, and no way, shape, or form, I  am leaving my mother because  she is used to my care. I like to think  that I am  of average  look with  a real Southern  manners with an outgoing personality.  She laughs at my joke and makes  me smile. I am happy if this counts for anything.

[Taradao 4]

2 minutes ago, caliliving said:

From Morocco. Yes the spousal visa is definitely viewed more in your favor and has a higher success rate. But you are still looking at a long time. 

Taradao here:  It's  better to take a relationship slow, and make it work. I am thinking a 2 year timeline at the least.

[caliliving 606]

1 hour ago, Taradao said:

Taradao here: btw, she has told me in several instances, that I should  move to Morocco  and be with her. I am taking care of my elderly  mother, and no way, shape, or form, I  am leaving my mother because  she is used to my care. I like to think  that I am  of average  look with  a real Southern  manners with an outgoing personality.  She laughs at my joke and makes  me smile. I am happy if this counts for anything.

Alot of times people say "come here and love with me" you seem like a sweet guy but understand many of these people from high fraud countries are trained on how to hook, line and sinker a foreigner from a first world country...lpts of these things she is spewing is because she wants to gain your trust. 

You seem like a nice guy and i don't want u to be taken advantage of. 

[Taradao 4]

Point taken. I was raised in Brazil in a Christian high school,  and graduated from a Baptist University here in the USA. I have lived a sheltered life compared to most people anywhere, including  the U.S. Her last boyfriend, as she told me, was a rich guy from her own country. She  broke off the relationship because he lied to her so many times in their relationship. I have a skeptic  eye from all your viewpoints, and will use my upper head instead of my lower  one. Thanks again.

[BenjaminKeating 114]

I feel like this thread should be closed now.

 

The OP has the immigration information he requires and has also been warned numerous times about the consequences and how many examples of this we see, regardless of whether the OP believes that or not.

 

It is your decision or mistake to make. 

 

Best of luck.

[Taradao 4]

4 hours ago, amul said:

A lot of good advice has already been given, but I wanted to second the time spent / face time topic.

 

If you search VJ, you will notice a pattern that red flags on their own do not make or break a case. The VO will look at the case as a whole. 

 

Be truthful in your correspondence with USCIS/NVC etc. and spend a lot of time visiting your "girlfriend"/future fiancee. During your many visits (2-3 at least) and long stays (2-8 weeks and beyond), you should be able to gauge if the connection is real and move forward on your journey. I personally feel that being in the same space is totally different than video chatting or texting with someone. Not sure if this will be possible, but if you can share the same living quarters for a lengthy time, it can help a lot. 

Personally speaking, we made our decision to get married after several months of living and traveling together. What would break some relationships (stress, finances, life styles) made us bond irrevocably.

 

I would also suggest that if and when you are both ready, I would consider skipping the K1 visa and looking into the CR-1 instead. Just a few ideas...

 

Best of luck.

 

 

 To Amul:  Was your bride from Morroco? It seems Morocco  is lined up with fraud, and some of us may have a bonafide relationship would suffer.