Gun bill gets shot down by panel

[Niels Bohr 72]

Have anyone thought of using Stun Guns?

[Robor007 0]

More weapons in more hands in more places. Absolutely. That's the solution.

I'm with you on this one.

IMO if there are more armed citizens, especially in public, we're going to see many more shootings. For every mass murder situation like this that may have been prevented there will be many times that of isolated shootings.

More weapons in more hands in more places. Absolutely. That's the solution.

In this case, it is the solution.

If you have one shooter that goes on a rampage in a school, 31 people die, and many more are injured. You have a shooter go on a rampage in a bank, maybe 5 people die. Why? Because there's usually someone with a gun that is going to shoot back at the shooter on the rampage already present or within a very fast response time.

Had there been an armed person in one of the classrooms, perhaps they could've stopped the rampage more quickly.

Stands to reason, though, that more incidents (with fewer per incident casualties, perhaps) causing overall more casualties would be likely if more snapping students would be carrying firearms on campus. The more people carry guns, the more incidents with firearms there will be. That ain't rocket science.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Guerrilla tactics is far more effective than man power!

I know because of the Vietnam War. The US have far more firepower, however, the Vietnamese ambush and guerrilla techniques was a very good defense. I think we can use ambushing to defend in civil order too. Just a thought.

It is rather difficult to ambush someone who is armed when you are not.

Nope. Special OPs need no bullets to defend themselves.

Special OPs don't carry firearms??

[Niels Bohr 72]

Nope. If they don't have guns, they use something else.

[Caladan 19]

He knows because he plays video games.

[Niels Bohr 72]

I used to, not anymore.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just one concealed carry authorized person could've saved countless lives today.

exactly. but instead, like sheep, some on here will bleat "guns.....baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"

You can't really blame them seeing as firearms were the cause of the deaths, and that the guy wouldn't have been successful if he had turned up with a knife or a club.

I deranged man was the cause of the deaths. Not an inanimate object.

The cops with the guns just stood outside until he killed himself. If a student had a gun it might have been different.

Sure - but nothing changes the fact that a deranged man was clearly able to acquire firearms which he used to commit a mass murder. Given the fact that a gun is just as lethal in the hands of 85 pound weakling as it is in the hands of Mike Tyson it stands to reason that he would not have racked up that sort of body if he had shown up with a knife or a hammer...

You can characterise the inherent danger or lack thereof posed by firearms - but clearly something went terribly wrong here, and the presence and use firearms is the direct causative factor that led to this massive body count.

Edited April 17, 2007 by erekose

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Just one concealed carry authorized person could've saved countless lives today.

exactly. but instead, like sheep, some on here will bleat "guns.....baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"

You can't really blame them seeing as firearms were the cause of the deaths, and that the guy wouldn't have been successful if he had turned up with a knife or a club.

I deranged man was the cause of the deaths. Not an inanimate object.

The cops with the guns just stood outside until he killed himself. If a student had a gun it might have been different.

Sure - but nothing changes the fact that a deranged man was clearly able to acquire firearms which he used to commit a mass murder. Given the fact that a gun is just as lethal in the hands of 85 pound weakling as it is in the hands of Mike Tyson it stands to reason that he would not have racked up that sort of body if he had shown up with a knife or a hammer...

You can characterise the inherent danger or lack thereof posed by firearms - but clearly something went terribly wrong here, and the presence and use firearms is the direct causative factor that led to this massive body count.

The body count wouldn't be as high if only one defenseless victim could have shot back. This only proves that by limiting legal gun carrying, nuts and criminals will have free reign.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just one concealed carry authorized person could've saved countless lives today.

exactly. but instead, like sheep, some on here will bleat "guns.....baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"

You can't really blame them seeing as firearms were the cause of the deaths, and that the guy wouldn't have been successful if he had turned up with a knife or a club.

I deranged man was the cause of the deaths. Not an inanimate object.

The cops with the guns just stood outside until he killed himself. If a student had a gun it might have been different.

Sure - but nothing changes the fact that a deranged man was clearly able to acquire firearms which he used to commit a mass murder. Given the fact that a gun is just as lethal in the hands of 85 pound weakling as it is in the hands of Mike Tyson it stands to reason that he would not have racked up that sort of body if he had shown up with a knife or a hammer...

You can characterise the inherent danger or lack thereof posed by firearms - but clearly something went terribly wrong here, and the presence and use firearms is the direct causative factor that led to this massive body count.

The body count wouldn't be as high if only one defenseless victim could have shot back. This only proves that by limiting legal gun carrying, nuts and criminals will have free reign.

The real question here is how did a disturbed man gain access to that kind of firepower. Clearly something went wrong on a number of levels. And as I said elsewhere, it seems the NRA is as opposed to increasing the time necessary for registration checks to be made before you buy a gun as it is to restricting gun ownership in general. Given the frequency of these events - it seems something has to happen on one or other of those fronts.

Edited April 17, 2007 by erekose

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Just one concealed carry authorized person could've saved countless lives today.

exactly. but instead, like sheep, some on here will bleat "guns.....baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"

You can't really blame them seeing as firearms were the cause of the deaths, and that the guy wouldn't have been successful if he had turned up with a knife or a club.

I deranged man was the cause of the deaths. Not an inanimate object.

The cops with the guns just stood outside until he killed himself. If a student had a gun it might have been different.

Sure - but nothing changes the fact that a deranged man was clearly able to acquire firearms which he used to commit a mass murder. Given the fact that a gun is just as lethal in the hands of 85 pound weakling as it is in the hands of Mike Tyson it stands to reason that he would not have racked up that sort of body if he had shown up with a knife or a hammer...

You can characterise the inherent danger or lack thereof posed by firearms - but clearly something went terribly wrong here, and the presence and use firearms is the direct causative factor that led to this massive body count.

The body count wouldn't be as high if only one defenseless victim could have shot back. This only proves that by limiting legal gun carrying, nuts and criminals will have free reign.

The real question here is how did a disturbed man gain access to that kind of firepower. Clearly something went wrong on a number of levels. And as I said elsewhere, it seems the NRA is as opposed to increasing the time necessary for registration checks to be made before you buy a gun as it is to restricting gun ownership in general. Given the frequency of these events - it seems something has to happen on one or other of those fronts.

People can snap at any time. There is no defense against that. So it would nice to have sane armed people at the ready. Not some cop hiding behind a tree. Cops rarely stop crime in action they usually just investigate afterwards.

We live is a country of 300 million. Bad things happen every second. People are deadly.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Just one concealed carry authorized person could've saved countless lives today.

exactly. but instead, like sheep, some on here will bleat "guns.....baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"

You can't really blame them seeing as firearms were the cause of the deaths, and that the guy wouldn't have been successful if he had turned up with a knife or a club.

I deranged man was the cause of the deaths. Not an inanimate object.

The cops with the guns just stood outside until he killed himself. If a student had a gun it might have been different.

Sure - but nothing changes the fact that a deranged man was clearly able to acquire firearms which he used to commit a mass murder. Given the fact that a gun is just as lethal in the hands of 85 pound weakling as it is in the hands of Mike Tyson it stands to reason that he would not have racked up that sort of body if he had shown up with a knife or a hammer...

You can characterise the inherent danger or lack thereof posed by firearms - but clearly something went terribly wrong here, and the presence and use firearms is the direct causative factor that led to this massive body count.

The body count wouldn't be as high if only one defenseless victim could have shot back. This only proves that by limiting legal gun carrying, nuts and criminals will have free reign.

The real question here is how did a disturbed man gain access to that kind of firepower. Clearly something went wrong on a number of levels. And as I said elsewhere, it seems the NRA is as opposed to increasing the time necessary for registration checks to be made before you buy a gun as it is to restricting gun ownership in general. Given the frequency of these events - it seems something has to happen on one or other of those fronts.

People can snap at any time. There is no defense against that. So it would nice to have sane armed people at the ready. Not some cop hiding behind a tree. Cops rarely stop crime in action they usually just investigate afterwards.

We live is a country of 300 million. Bad things happen every second. People are deadly.

Sure - but I'd not like to give up the idea that some things are preventable, rather than inevitable. Nor do I agree with the idea that "prevention" should involve the general promotion of violence.

Unfortunately - this kind of random act seems to happen in the US (in particular) with depressing regularity. Its really hard to say with any conviction what the reason for that is, or indeed how to resolve it. As I said, clearly the availability of firearms is the major reason that this bodycount reached the levels it did, and its hard to dispute that in that regard it played a fairly key part. That said, its obviously not the reason this guy behaved as he did, it says nothing about his pyschology or else what prompted him to do it. Who has that answer?

[Dr_LHA 3]

How about blaming the culture of prescribing anti-depressants, which can have often bad effects on people's ability to reason.

Seems like in this country if you're feeling a bit blue you get prescribed a concoction of mind altering drugs at the drop of a hat. The shooter was on such medication, I think that seriously needs to be looked into as a maybe not a motive, but an enabler of such violent behaviour.

[Niels Bohr 72]

How about blaming the culture of prescribing anti-depressants, which can have often bad effects on people's ability to reason.

Seems like in this country if you're feeling a bit blue you get prescribed a concoction of mind altering drugs at the drop of a hat. The shooter was on such medication, I think that seriously needs to be looked into as a maybe not a motive, but an enabler of such violent behaviour.

Give the kid lots of ritalin that way they can focus on school and retain information better. Hehehe. Ritalin have given users the mental ability of a servant temporarily.

Edited April 17, 2007 by consolemaster

[Dr_LHA 3]

Give the kid lots of ritalin that way they can focus on school and retain information better. Hehehe. Ritalin have given users the mental ability of a servant temporarily.

I need to get me some of that.

[almaty 19]

Give the kid lots of ritalin that way they can focus on school and retain information better. Hehehe. Ritalin have given users the mental ability of a servant temporarily.

I need to get me some of that.

mix it with vicodin and etoh...........the new rage