Trump Says He Has ‘Complete Power’ to Pardon

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Funny how people overlook this eh?

indeed. 

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18 minutes ago, IAMX said:

 

It's not discrimination to scrutinize people who are more apt to commit crimes, because they are the ones committing them.

 

People who are US Citizens who look Hispanic ARE NOT the ones committing crimes. They happen to look like people who commit crimes, and maybe even come from the same country (though sadly often times they don't, and often times they are AMERICAN). That does not mean they are the ones committing the crimes.

 

20 minutes ago, IAMX said:

The idea that those committing crimes need to be treated with equal scrutiny as those who are not is ridiculous.

 

 

Thank you for giving us an example of textbook discrimination. Just because people are Hispanic in origin does not mean that they are "those committing crimes". You are lumping them into the same group because of their ethnicity and/or country of origin. 

 

Honestly you couldn't have provided us with a better example of discrimination on this very topic.

 

22 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Giving victim status to people undeservedly only stands to give them the sort of entitlement attitude seen in states like California, where they believe everyone needs to cater to them and pitch a fit if they don't. The left in their fanatical logic fail to grasp the repercussions of their actions. People with no concept of action and consequence.

The people who are victims here are Hispanic-Americans (natural born US citizens), and legal Hispanic immigrants. They are treated unfairly because of the color of their skin and their country of origin (either their country of birth, or sometimes 2 or 3 generations removed). 

 

None of us are giving "victim status" to the illegal immigrants. The problem is treating all people of Hispanic Origin, without additional information about them or their immigration status, in one giant pot. That is discrimination. Legal US Residents of Hispanic origin have done nothing wrong and they deserve to be treated the same way a person of European descent is treated.

 

Illegal residents are a difficult problem. I would support most of being sent home (with some exceptions for children/family etc...). The problem is how do you identify an illegal resident. It isn't right to assume based on the color of one's skin. You need to have some other reason otherwise it is discrimination against those are here legally. Even in the "liberal homeland" known as California, Hispanics get stopped on the street asking for their papers. US Citizens, Natural Born Citizens. That is wrong.

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13 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/700000-people-overstayed-visas-year-dhs-report/story?id=47568973

I wonder how many filed for an adjustment of status after over staying. Those that traveled with intent to stay should be sent right back home.

 

My wife was advised by the USCIS that I should enter and file for AOS but after posting here on the forum I was told it was illegal.

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6 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

I wonder how many filed for an adjustment of status after over staying. Those that traveled with intent to stay should be sent right back home.

 

My wife was advised by the USCIS that I should enter and file for AOS but after posting here on the forum I was told it was illegal.

what difference does it make if they filed aos? either you follow the rules or don't, right? overstaying a visa is not following the rules. 

 

i was told we should do the same thing, but we chose not to because we didn't want to leave anything up to chance. i can't imagine what life is like for a dream recipient or their families right now - can't imagine what it's like to be a hispanic us citizen right now either, though i do know my two hispanic cousins have been dealing with discrimination for appearing 'illegal' since they were children. 

Edited July 25, 2017 by smilesammich

[IAMX 3,055]

32 minutes ago, Dianalorena said:

again, things aren't that black and white.

 

It's been stablished that there is a valid reason why certain countries, mine included are considered high fraud, and it has to do with people abusing the system for years. But it is not the entire story.

U.K people overstay their VISAS. They commit crimes as well. The whole point is the fact that we hardly hear these stories/or even care for them and they are not as scrutinized, since they are seen as better immigrants than those from other countries.  The fact that some people self victimize/ become entitled, is also part of the same broken system. It is a shame that some radicals from both parts of the story give us a bad name. Again, I am not supporting them for crossing/staying illegally, I am just underlining the repercussions which hinder our experience. I can still see and treat them as humans, even if I don't condone what they do. We don't know their stories, some of these were brought in as kids and have lived in fear of deportation their whole lives, and they've been trying to find a path to citizenship for decades. I'm not throwing the first stone, so to speak. 

 

The focus on the UK is laughable..

 

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/enforcement-actions

https://www.dhs.gov/publication/entryexit-overstay-report

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/XAgKwjF.png

 

 

 

 

In every single category, Mexico is so far beyond worse than the UK (by rate of deportations, people being arrested, placed in custody of ICE, and of course overstays, Mexico is worse by a 3:1 margin, which an enormous population of people entering the US) the suggestion that scrutiny of Mexico is undeserving can only be described as lunacy. And that's with the focus solely on overstays, not even touching all the illegal entries which are the other half of the equation.

 

Simply a joke.

Edited July 25, 2017 by IAMX

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, IAMX said:

 

 

Simply a joke.

either you believe the law should be followed by everyone or you don't.

[Dianalorena 1,153]

Just now, IAMX said:

The focus on the UK is laughable..

 

https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/enforcement-actions

https://www.dhs.gov/publication/entryexit-overstay-report

 

 

 

 

 

In every single category, Mexico is so far beyond worse than the UK (by rate of deportations, people being arrested, placed in custody of ICE, and of course overstays, Mexico is worse by a 3:1 margin, which an enormous population of people entering the US) the suggestion that scrutiny of Mexico is undeserving can only be described as lunacy. And that's with the focus solely on overstays, not even touching all the illegal entries which are the other half of the equation.

 

Simply a joke.

when did I state that Mexico is undeserving of scrutiny? I said even though is harsh, I understand the reasons behind it. 

I also didn't say that U.K is worse in overstaying than Mexico by any means. I was just trying to explain that it is not as black and white as usually shown.  You seem considerably angry about this, and I'm sorry you're so affected by this personally. 

 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

Just now, smilesammich said:

what difference does it make if they filed aos? either you follow the rules or don't, right? overstaying a visa is not following the rules. 

 

i was told we should do the same thing, but we chose not to because we didn't want to leave anything up to chance. i can't imagine what life is like for a dream recipient or their families right now - can't imagine what it's like to be a hispanic us citizen right now either, though i do know my two hispanic cousins have been dealing with discrimination for appearing 'illegal' since they were children. 

It makes a difference if they file for aos because I believe it is how most are going to try get around the current long delays, Nebraska is currently at about 9 months approval. Hopefully they will manage to catch the overstayers.

 

My wife's parents suggested we follow the USCIS advice and if need be hop across the border every 3 months and then reenter, I would be too paranoid and my nerves would be shot so I refused. Although I am a little annoyed because I was hoping it would be approved before our next wedding anniversary which is next March. We wanted to celebrate our 10th anniversary in the US with my wife's parents but it's not likely to happen due to Nebraska moving so slow. 

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2 minutes ago, IAMX said:

 

In every single category, Mexico is so far beyond worse than the UK (by rate of deportations, people being arrested, placed in custody of ICE, and of course overstays, Mexico is worse by a 3:1 margin, which an enormous population of people entering the US) the suggestion that scrutiny of Mexico is undeserving can only be described as lunacy. And that's with the focus solely on overstays, not even touching all the illegal entries which are the other half of the equation.

 

Simply a joke.

Do you think it's okay for an American Citizen to be stopped on the street and asked to show proof of their status, without any cause?

 

That is happening right now, and to people of a certain skin color preferentially. 

 

You have to balance the need for scrutiny with the rights of citizens and legal residents. I believe they have a right to not be discriminated against. It seems like you disagree for the "greater good".

 

16 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

I wonder how many filed for an adjustment of status after over staying. Those that traveled with intent to stay should be sent right back home.

 

My wife was advised by the USCIS that I should enter and file for AOS but after posting here on the forum I was told it was illegal.

My wife was advised to do that by a lawyer. She as actually in the country at the time and we called one because she was worried about going back home and then having to go through the border control process again to visit me (our border agent was horrible). The lawyer advised her to just stay in the US and apply to adjust her status. He even admitted "You would be undocumented for a period of time, but we could get your through the process faster than it will take you to go home and wait out your CR-1".

 

I'm sure he was right it would have been faster, but it didnt' sit well with us. She went home and it took us another 9 months (during which time she never visited me again).

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, Dianalorena said:

when did I state that Mexico is undeserving of scrutiny? I said even though is harsh, I understand the reasons behind it. 

I also didn't say that U.K is worse in overstaying than Mexico by any means. I was just trying to explain that it is not as black and white as usually shown.  You seem considerably angry about this, and I'm sorry you're so affected by this personally. 

 

Things are black and white, countries like Mexico (or as the left tries to dub it, "Hispanic countries") commit far more fraud, crimes, and overstays than anyone else, and it stems from the easy entrance through the southern border. They are high risk countries that deserve the scrutiny they've earned. 

 

People flee Hispanic countries like Mexico because these are third world countries where people face extreme violence that would otherwise be brought to the US if not for this extra scrutiny -- they don't flee the UK.. yet.

 

Scrutiny of "Hispanic countries" is quite justifiable. And it's not because they're Hispanic, as the left try to liken it to.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Mr&Mrs G. said:

It makes a difference if they file for aos because I believe it is how most are going to try get around the current long delays, Nebraska is currently at about 9 months approval. Hopefully they will manage to catch the overstayers.

 

My wife's parents suggested we follow the USCIS advice and if need be hop across the border every 3 months and then reenter, I would be too paranoid and my nerves would be shot so I refused. Although I am a little annoyed because I was hoping it would be approved before our next wedding anniversary which is next March. We wanted to celebrate our 10th anniversary in the US with my wife's parents but it's not likely to happen due to Nebraska moving so slow. 

well this would presume (considering your previous comments) that folks crossing illegally from mexico have the option to simply aos. they don't. however, those with the privilege of the vwp do, and so it shouldn't matter to you if they overstay to extend a vaca or to stay permanently, if you're an immigration law stickler. 

 

sorry your case is taking so long. it always helped me (when we were going through it) that there were many many people who were (are) in much worse situations and had been without their loved one for much longer than myself. sucks to hear when you want nothing more than your loved one, but ultimately its the truth.

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

1 minute ago, bcking said:

I'm sure he was right it would have been faster, but it didnt' sit well with us. She went home and it took us another 9 months (during which time she never visited me again).

That's tough, I don't know how families stay apart so long especially with no visits. In the long run I will be happier that I followed the process legally.

[Dianalorena 1,153]

8 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Things are black and white, countries like Mexico (or as the left tries to dub it, "Hispanic countries") commit far more fraud, crimes, and overstays than anyone else, and it stems from the easy entrance through the southern border. They are high risk countries that deserve the scrutiny they've earned. 

 

People flee Hispanic countries like Mexico because these are third world countries where people face extreme violence that would otherwise be brought to the US if not for this extra scrutiny -- they don't flee the UK.. yet.

 

Scrutiny of "Hispanic countries" is quite justifiable. And it's not because they're Hispanic, as the left try to liken it to.

It seems like we just have to agree to disagree at this point : ) since nothing I, or other people say, will make you see things in a broader light. 

I'm glad you're from a country that doesn't face this sort of hardship and you're privileged in that sense, and I wish you don't ever know what it feels like to be scared or attacked inside your own country of origin, or face what it feels like to be treated as less of a person because you're from a ''third world country'' wish you the best. 

 

 

 

Edited July 25, 2017 by Dianalorena

[IAMX 3,055]

6 minutes ago, Dianalorena said:

It seems like we just have to agree to disagree at this point : ) since nothing I, or other people say, will make you see things in a broader light. 

I'm glad you're from a country that doesn't face this sort of hardship and you're privileged in that sense, and I wish you don't ever know what it feels like to be scared or attacked inside your own country of origin, or face what it feels like to be treated as less of a person because you're for a ''third world country'' wish you the best. 

 

 

 

I spent 80% of my life in California, in prominently Hispanic parts of the state and country, I've seen things from the let-everyone-immigrate-illegally-because-feelings side. I'm fluent in English, German (Hochdeutsch, Boarisch), Spanish, and French (France -- and semi-fluent). I have a good chunk of my family from Hispanic and Black backgrounds (one of my sisters being half-black). My wife is Chinese, and my daughter is obviously half-Asian, half-white, my in-laws coming from various countries throughout Asia, fleeing oppression very much like you cited. Much of my accomplishments in life I owe to not only my diverse background but my ability to observe the world and react accordingly. So I'm not concerned in the slightest bit about any knowledge-lacking individuals thinking I live in a bubble.

 

And while one could easily feel bad for those who deal with what they do in foreign countries, immigration laws exist for a reason, to ensure people fleeing those regions don't turn the country they're fleeing to into the pile of dirt they fled. The road to hell is paved with good intentions -- this is where the lefts naive "good intentions" meets "road to hell" reality.

Edited July 25, 2017 by IAMX

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30 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

That's tough, I don't know how families stay apart so long especially with no visits. In the long run I will be happier that I followed the process legally.

I was able to visit her, luckily.

 

The sad thing is when she came (the one time after we married) to visit me for 3 weeks she was literally harassed by border control, called an idiot, insulted etc...

 

Meanwhile I walk through the electronic passport machines at UK immigration like in a citizen. The last time I spoke to anyone was 2 years ago.