Trump Says He Has ‘Complete Power’ to Pardon

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

3 hours ago, Dianalorena said:

 

I want to believe that. But comments like the previous one are just designed to provoque and not contribute, in my opinion. Hence my observation, I could we wrong of course. 

And no, you've never been offensive to me directly, just as I wasn't trying to be disrespectful to you, just making an observation. 

 

* Regarding my comment, It wasn't directed to anyone in particular, sorry if you felt personally offended by it. I did say that and I stand by it, but people change.  It is taking all my strength and understanding to grasp why anyone would still stand by a man that has been openly disastrous in many ways. Not even mentioning what the media says, (I agree there is a lot of sensationalism)  I'm not biased by it, I'm making a judgment solely based on what he says. Even then I've always been open to learning more about what he is trying to do to make America great again. 

 

The experience is vastly different for me than it is for you. I am not a rapist, murderer or bad hombre, and I refuse to be painted at such, but that is what Trump has done since the beginning of his campaign. He reduced my whole country to a series of stereotypes (violent, lazy, poor, uneducated, the drug war) which does personally affect me. Of course we are not perfect, and I understand that many have illegally crossed the border which I've never supported, but we are not all the same.  It's been proven that most of the illegal immigrants are coming from central/south America but to him, everything south is ''Mexico'' and our problem. Which is just partially true. 

A lot of us are following the rules, filing the same fees, apart from our families just like the rest. And we still get treated like common criminals. 

I hope you understand why people are being affected by him even if it's just indirectly, although it doesn't apply to you, it applies to others. 

 

 

 

 

 

If you have been tarred with a brush it is because of the illegals that came before you and who are making your journey harder, those who made no attempt to try do the process legally. Normally when a member uses the term "illegal" in this section a lot of those who liked your post reply that there is no illegals just undocumented, they gave you a pass because you are Mexican and choose not to call you out on using the term. There are a lot of illegal Irish in the USA and the government over here is trying to strike a better deal for them over other nationalities, no one should be given preference and all should be put out or go through the process the same as the rest of us. Some even went on a recent Irish documentary and talked about their illegal status in the US, I say round them up and dump them out. I have no problem with ICE going around the Irish bars in New York, Boston,Chicago and making those with Irish accents prove they are legal, if someone has nothing to hide I don't see the problem.

 

I have read some of your other posts and we have replied to each other a few times and I can feel your frustration but that is down to poor planning by the government agencies that handle our documents and less to do with Trump. I don't care where anyone comes from but the way I see it if you plan to go live in the USA then you should be against illegal immigration for anyone, sure the wall would be along your border but those from the other southern countries come across the Mexican/USA border also.  Trump is only doing what previous Presidents should have done regarding the illegals.    

 

If there was less illegal or fraudulent immigrants then the process would have less skepticism and would move quicker.  No illegals and then there will be no stigma on those of different nationalities. 

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I have known many Hispanics, legal, illegal, and of course the majority being natural born USC's. It saddens and sickens me to see some of the comments on here. They don't jibe with my recognition of the value and general good in all people.

[bcking 3,157]

11 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

 

If you have been tarred with a brush it is because of the illegals that came before you and who are making your journey harder, those who made no attempt to try do the process legally. Normally when a member uses the term "illegal" in this section a lot of those who liked your post reply that there is no illegals just undocumented, they gave you a pass because you are Mexican and choose not to call you out on using the term. There are a lot of illegal Irish in the USA and the government over here is trying to strike a better deal for them over other nationalities, no one should be given preference and all should be put out or go through the process the same as the rest of us. Some even went on a recent Irish documentary and talked about their illegal status in the US, I say round them up and dump them out. I have no problem with ICE going around the Irish bars in New York, Boston,Chicago and making those with Irish accents prove they are legal, if someone has nothing to hide I don't see the problem.

 

I have read some of your other posts and we have replied to each other a few times and I can feel your frustration but that is down to poor planning by the government agencies that handle our documents and less to do with Trump. I don't care where anyone comes from but the way I see it if you plan to go live in the USA then you should be against illegal immigration for anyone, sure the wall would be along your border but those from the other southern countries come across the Mexican/USA border also.  Trump is only doing what previous Presidents should have done regarding the illegals.    

 

If there was less illegal or fraudulent immigrants then the process would have less skepticism and would move quicker.  No illegals and then there will be no stigma on those of different nationalities. 

You can't completely blame illegal immigrants for the discrimination towards Hispanic-Americans regarding their status. I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, and in particular immigration across the Mexican border is a large problem. That doesn't give us the right to discriminate and treat people differently.

 

Just because a lot of illegal immigrants come from Central/South America doesn't mean anyone who looks hispanic is an illegal immigrant. We can't just make those assumptions without cause.

 

Bottom line - People who look hispanic, especially in states close to the border (Not just Red states, California included), are treated dfferently at first glance by some people. Dianalorena is giving her personal experience, and she is not alone. I can say in my wife's personal experience she has NEVER been questioned about her status since coming here and doesn't bring her passport anywhere. A friend from a South American country who lives in our neighborhood moved this year as an expat and has been questioned over a half dozen times since arriving. She's had random people ask to see her papers, her passport etc...

 

That is discrimination, plain and simple. I don't care how many illegal immigrants we have, we can't look at someone and question them with no cause other than the color of their skin.

Edited July 25, 2017 by bcking

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

2 minutes ago, bcking said:

You can't completely blame illegal immigrants for the discrimination towards Hispanic-Americans regarding their status. I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, and in particular immigration across the Mexican border is a large problem. 

In an ideal world there would be no discrimination but due to all those that came before her then her journey is tarnished. It's terrible but it's better to be honest and understand why the discrimination is there to begin with. 

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4 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

In an ideal world there would be no discrimination but due to all those that came before her then her journey is tarnished. It's terrible but it's better to be honest and understand why the discrimination is there to begin with. 

We can understand why it is there and still say the discrimination is wrong.

 

I understand why people discriminate, but I don't believe they should. While I would like to reduce illegal immigration as well, I would rather have more illegal immigrants living in the country but ensure that Hispanic-Americans (and Hispanic people here legally) have the right to walk down the street like a white person, without any concern that they'll be questioned without provocation regarding their status in the country. They have the right to be treated the same as anyone else.

 

We have to find a way that "catches" the illegal immigrants without treating citizens and legal residents unfairly because of the color of their skin.

 

We have to draw the line somewhere. We already have a dark history of treating specific groups of Immigrant Americans with disrespect and discrimination based on the actions of their ethnic peers. No one is proud of history with Japanese internment camps (well no one should be proud of that, at least). While the issues now are of that magnitude, they are a similar problem.

Edited July 25, 2017 by bcking

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

In an ideal world there would be no discrimination but due to all those that came before her then her journey is tarnished. It's terrible but it's better to be honest and understand why the discrimination is there to begin with. 

except it's discrimination towards not only legal immigrants but also us citizens. and it's unacceptable, period. 

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

except it's discrimination towards not only legal immigrants but also us citizens. and it's unacceptable, period. 

I really need to learn to write less here, while still getting the message across.

[Dianalorena 1,153]

8 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

 

If you have been tarred with a brush it is because of the illegals that came before you and who are making your journey harder, those who made no attempt to try do the process legally. Normally when a member uses the term "illegal" in this section a lot of those who liked your post reply that there is no illegals just undocumented, they gave you a pass because you are Mexican and choose not to call you out on using the term. There are a lot of illegal Irish in the USA and the government over here is trying to strike a better deal for them over other nationalities, no one should be given preference and all should be put out or go through the process the same as the rest of us. Some even went on a recent Irish documentary and talked about their illegal status in the US, I say round them up and dump them out. I have no problem with ICE going around the Irish bars in New York, Boston,Chicago and making those with Irish accents prove they are legal, if someone has nothing to hide I don't see the problem.

 

I have read some of your other posts and we have replied to each other a few times and I can feel your frustration but that is down to poor planning by the government agencies that handle our documents and less to do with Trump. I don't care where anyone comes from but the way I see it if you plan to go live in the USA then you should be against illegal immigration for anyone, sure the wall would be along your border but those from the other southern countries come across the Mexican/USA border also.  Trump is only doing what previous Presidents should have done regarding the illegals.    

 

If there was less illegal or fraudulent immigrants then the process would have less skepticism and would move quicker.  No illegals and then there will be no stigma on those of different nationalities. 

 

I completely understand why it is the way it is, and how it has to do with years and years of Mexican people entering illegally/staying undocumented. Unfortunately there is nothing I can do besides following the right path myself, but that  doesn't mean it isn't complex and frustrating at times, like you have stated. No one should have any preferential treatment, including us. I just want to be treated the same: not better, not worse.

I don't believe that the delays are directly Trumps fault, and from what you've gathered from my posts my frustration is usually directed towards the government's poor planning and people panicking over fee increases (Some due to him being elected as well, but because of his anti-immigration agenda, we were worried he would change the process significantly or even try to stop it) never really towards Trump itself. I dislike him, but I don't blame him personally. 

I am certainly not supporting ilegal immigration and I never have in the past. I am sure stricter laws would make the process quicker in a way, unfortunately getting rid of that stigma is hardly impossible at this point. It is a vicious cycle: More people from certain countries are mistreated, so they sneak in and don't follow the rules living in fear of deportation, which of course results in more people being mistreated, no matter their legal status. I've also noticed that those that came to the U.S legally tend to resent more those who didn't, which stirs more hate. I sometimes feel the jealously and resentment trying to creep in, and I understand how they inadvertently made the process more difficult for the rest of us, but I find a way for compassion to overcome it. 

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19 minutes ago, bcking said:

You can't completely blame illegal immigrants for the discrimination towards Hispanic-Americans regarding their status. I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, and in particular immigration across the Mexican border is a large problem. That doesn't give us the right to discriminate and treat people differently.

 

Just because a lot of illegal immigrants come from Central/South America doesn't mean anyone who looks hispanic is an illegal immigrant. We can't just make those assumptions without cause.

 

Bottom line - People who look hispanic, especially in states close to the border (Not just Red states, California included), are treated dfferently at first glance by some people. Dianalorena is giving her personal experience, and she is not alone. I can say in my wife's personal experience she has NEVER been questioned about her status since coming here and doesn't bring her passport anywhere. A friend from a South American country who lives in our neighborhood moved this year as an expat and has been questioned over a half dozen times since arriving. She's had random people ask to see her papers, her passport etc...

 

That is discrimination, plain and simple. I don't care how many illegal immigrants we have, we can't look at someone and question them with no cause other than the color of their skin.

Mexico is a high risk country for immigrant fraud. The UK isn't.

 

It's not discrimination to scrutinize people who are more apt to commit crimes, because they are the ones committing them.

 

The idea that those committing crimes need to be treated with equal scrutiny as those who are not is ridiculous.

 

The attachment of "Hispanic people" to this idea is an attempt to try and make less valid the rightful scrutiny given to people who deliberately wish to ignore another country's laws and customs. Only the left give these kind of people victim status. It's really played out.

 

Giving victim status to people undeservedly only stands to give them the sort of entitlement attitude seen in states like California, where they believe everyone needs to cater to them and pitch a fit if they don't. The left in their fanatical logic fail to grasp the repercussions of their actions. People with no concept of action and consequence.

Edited July 25, 2017 by IAMX

[Dianalorena 1,153]

10 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

In an ideal world there would be no discrimination but due to all those that came before her then her journey is tarnished. It's terrible but it's better to be honest and understand why the discrimination is there to begin with. 

that is part of the truth, and I understand it. But we are all responsible for our actions and we decide how we treat others. As I said, the general discrimination toward certain people (wether they're documented/undocumented, LPRs or U.S born citizens) is mostly carried by white men and women and other legal immigrants. Instead of breaking the cycle and supporting people, teaching them how to follow the legal path and do things right (reason why I am thankful for the forums) we bully them so they hide in fear and resent others. This is why I feel a wall won't really improve things, but further divide us. We should ideally be working together as a team to stop ilegal immigration and drug trafficking, but since we are treated as inferior, as the /rapists/murderers/drug traffickers, a lot of them  behave as such and don't respect the U.S. 

 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

2 minutes ago, Dianalorena said:

 I've also noticed that those that came to the U.S legally tend to resent more those who didn't, which stirs more hate. I sometimes feel the jealously and resentment trying to creep in, and I understand how they inadvertently made the process more difficult for the rest of us, but I find a way for compassion to overcome it. 

 It's very easy to be jealous of those that get put in one of the quicker centers and not the sinkhole that is Nebraska. The current system favors those who enter on a holiday visa and file for adjustment of status, most are doing it to beat the system. So I would be resentful to anyone that tries take a shortcut or enters illegally. 

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7 minutes ago, bcking said:

I really need to learn to write less here, while still getting the message across.

short and sweet or a wall of text, some people simply don't get it because they simply don't want to. it's just too easy to blame mexicans for everything in the current political environment..thanks trump!

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8 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Mexico is a high risk country for immigrant fraud. The UK isn't.

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The U.K. followed by Germany, Italy and France had the largest total number of people overstaying their travel visas for business or pleasure, among countries that participate in the Visa Waiver Program, which allows citizens of 38 countries to travel to the U.S. for business or tourism without a visa.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/700000-people-overstayed-visas-year-dhs-report/story?id=47568973

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/700000-people-overstayed-visas-year-dhs-report/story?id=47568973

Funny how people overlook this eh?

[Dianalorena 1,153]

5 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Mexico is a high risk country for immigrant fraud. The UK isn't.

 

It's not discrimination to scrutinize people who are more apt to commit crimes, because they are the ones committing them.

 

The idea that those committing crimes need to be treated with equal scrutiny as those who are not is ridiculous.

 

The attachment of "Hispanic people" to this idea is an attempt to try and make less valid the rightful scrutiny given to people who deliberately wish to ignore another country's laws and customs. Only the left give these kind of people victim status. It's really played out.

 

Giving victim status to people undeservedly only stands to give them the sort of entitlement attitude seen in states like California, where they believe everyone needs to cater to them and pitch a fit if they don't. The left in their fanatical logic fail to grasp the repercussions of their actions. People with no concept of action and consequence.

again, things aren't that black and white.

 

It's been stablished that there is a valid reason why certain countries, mine included are considered high fraud, and it has to do with people abusing the system for years. But it is not the entire story.

U.K people overstay their VISAS. They commit crimes as well. The whole point is the fact that we hardly hear these stories/or even care for them and they are not as scrutinized, since they are seen as better immigrants than those from other countries.  The fact that some people self victimize/ become entitled, is also part of the same broken system. It is a shame that some radicals from both parts of the story give us a bad name. Again, I am not supporting them for crossing/staying illegally, I am just underlining the repercussions which hinder our experience. I can still see and treat them as humans, even if I don't condone what they do. We don't know their stories, some of these were brought in as kids and have lived in fear of deportation their whole lives, and they've been trying to find a path to citizenship for decades. I'm not throwing the first stone, so to speak.