Issues and Problems

[Mags 112]

Okay - enough said - I tried and my point was still not understood. And yes - I was at the interview and seh is correct - the CO here does not allow the USC into the interview - they do not even allow you to wait by security.

As you weren't present in the Embassy for the interview I can only presume that your record of the conversation between your husband and the interviewing officer was second hand?

[MPGGPM 0]

And just to set the record straight - I did not tell the CO that their report was a fabrication or a lie - I merely was stating that to this group - and in my detailed interview letter taht was just for pure purpose of record and meant to be a little colored - I did not, again, did not tell them that they lied - I made a statement that would open the door a little to consider that there may have been some misunderstandings, misstatements or miscommunications - big difference. If you think this is just a nice way to tell them they are lying - fine, but it was jsut a statement!

So you are basically saying that as long as you didn't "formally" send a statement to the CO...............in the meantime it is still okay to come here on a forum and start to make some very serious unsubstantiated accusations against them?

If it's not true...to the point where you are now actually "backing" away from your accusations of lying or fabricating, then why even make them in the first place?

Either here on this forum, or anywhere?

Are they true or not? And if you are now say they are not, and that you were just "coloring" the situation (bear in mind that lot of people get sued for libel in this country, for "coloring", especially when it turns out that the "coloring" is not true.).....

Why even make them in the first place then?

Everyone here, whether you believe them or not, can empathize with you and your situation. I myself have spent 2 years and 1 1/2 months apart from my wife. And in between, there have been ups and downs with this immigration system that most people can't imagine. There were really some awful days.

Just about everyone else here has a tough story to tell,............ about the difficulties during their immigration process.

At the same time, when you say things like you said below, then you can't just expect us all to say "Yeah..you're right...the consulate IS a bunch of liers etc....".....just for "support"

Suffering and hardship doesn't give you the right to make unsubstantiated claims (which you are retracting now......but in your other thread, that's not how you started).

They are obviously unsubstantiated, since you appear to be backing away from them now. Which is what many of us were trying to tell you to do in the first place....... to just concentrate your efforts on doing the things you need to do to convince the consulate the relationship with your husband is genuine........

Did you just expect to come on here and make whatever claims you chose to do....and we were all going to just "support" you regardless, and never even "question" some of the claims you were making?

Now , you seem stunned by some of the reaction.

These are excerpts of what you wrote, from your posts in the "Foreign Embassy" forum...

first

Do I find it helpful - lol - NO! This whole report of what the CO wrote in her report was fabricated. She took details from our interview to turn them into something else that was never said.

then a few posts later...

Maybe fabrication was too strong of a word to use - but assumtive is not - feel free to read my attachment - it is a detailed account of my husband's interview - and at the same time please realize that this consulate is very good at lying and doing whatever they choose. And even sadder - the way interviews are done - it will always be my word against theirs - there are no tapings of said interviews by video or by voice - so basically the interviewee is always screwed fro mthe beginning if something does not go right in the interview. I can also go have an interview with someone and take things said at that interview and turn them to say what I want to report

Sure looks like you are still accusing them of lying, in that following post as well, and doing more than just "coloring".

Whatever happens, NO ONE here wishes you ill will.......and I am sure we all want to "support" you.............but just not to the point where that extends to ANY claim, accusation, etc........that you make.

Whether you believe it or not..................I really DO wish you the best of luck and a success with your husband's visa...and hope he will get it sooner....rather than later. Your frustration and pain, is very obvious.

[Fandango 1,439]

I think Lisa you are spot on in your observation, but just a point of clarification, Casablanca does not allow the UCS in the interview.

TY...as far as the interview, I figured even if she was stood outside the embassy, if there were serious enough questions to not get an approval, she could have been brought in.

So that doesn't happen if the spouse is even outside?

And for everyone else addressing the liabel claim...you should read her letter that she made downloadable...she says in it that the CO did a good job but was misinformed based on the parameters set upon her by the law & that the OP doesn't hold her responsible.

[aicha 0]

And just to set the record straight - I did not tell the CO that their report was a fabrication or a lie - I merely was stating that to this group - and in my detailed interview letter taht was just for pure purpose of record and meant to be a little colored - I did not, again, did not tell them that they lied - I made a statement that would open the door a little to consider that there may have been some misunderstandings, misstatements or miscommunications - big difference. If you think this is just a nice way to tell them they are lying - fine, but it was jsut a statement!

So you are basically saying that as long as you didn't "formally" send a statement to the CO...............in the meantime it is still okay to come here on a forum and start to make some very serious unsubstantiated accusations against them?

NO - really thre is one bad thing about talking over computers - no one ever seems to get the point. I did formally send the letter to have on record at the CO - I did not say in the letter that there was fabrication - I only used that word here - not in the letter. I have more than enough prrof that you are not priveledged to see, that does back up anything I am saying. My statement of "colored" was in regards to the emotional and outside interferences which may have palyed a role in the interview. SIMPLE

If it's not true...to the point where you are now actually "backing" away from your accusations of lying or fabricating, then why even make them in the first place?

Either here on this forum, or anywhere?

I would and never will back away - I just do not have 24 hours a day to keep posting! I have a life with my husband and we have work together to do for our lives.

Are they true or not? And if you are now say they are not, and that you were just "coloring" the situation (bear in mind that lot of people get sued for libel in this country, for "coloring", especially when it turns out that the "coloring" is not true.).....

Why even make them in the first place then?

Everyone here, whether you believe them or not, can empathize with you and your situation. I myself have spent 2 years and 1 1/2 months apart from my wife. And in between, there have been ups and downs with this immigration system that most people can't imagine. There were really some awful days.

Just about everyone else here has a tough story to tell,............ about the difficulties during their immigration process.

At the same time, when you say things like you said below, then you can't just expect us all to say "Yeah..you're right...the consulate IS a bunch of liers etc....".....just for "support"

Suffering and hardship doesn't give you the right to make unsubstantiated claims (which you are retracting now......but in your other thread, that's not how you started).

Not retracting anything - just apparently not bveiong understood, but that is okay - and to set the record straight again - My emotions are fine - like I said before, yes we would like to be in the states, but I am living here and we are together, so our emotions are fine.

They are obviously unsubstantiated, since you appear to be backing away from them now. Which is what many of us were trying to tell you to do in the first place....... to just concentrate your efforts on doing the things you need to do to convince the consulate the relationship with your husband is genuine........

Did you just expect to come on here and make whatever claims you chose to do....and we were all going to just "support" you regardless, and never even "question" some of the claims you were making?

Now , you seem stunned by some of the reaction.

These are excerpts of what you wrote, from your posts in the "Foreign Embassy" forum...

first

Do I find it helpful - lol - NO! This whole report of what the CO wrote in her report was fabricated. She took details from our interview to turn them into something else that was never said.

then a few posts later...

That word was again only said here - would I say those words in a letter - no - I am a little more intelligent than that. Do I need to continue to defend myself to you - No - if words are so strong here that they hurt me - then I would not be coming back to answer. I am not a fool - people voice thongs on here to just say what they feel - but would I ever go so far as saying those exact words in my letter to the CO - No.

Maybe fabrication was too strong of a word to use - but assumtive is not - feel free to read my attachment - it is a detailed account of my husband's interview - and at the same time please realize that this consulate is very good at lying and doing whatever they choose. And even sadder - the way interviews are done - it will always be my word against theirs - there are no tapings of said interviews by video or by voice - so basically the interviewee is always screwed fro mthe beginning if something does not go right in the interview. I can also go have an interview with someone and take things said at that interview and turn them to say what I want to report

Sure looks like you are still accusing them of lying, in that following post as well, and doing more than just "coloring".

Please get my point someone - when people talk to people in the same situation they can say and use a lot of words that they would not say in the face of someone they are trying to get to change their minds. Did I say in my letter that there may have been misunderstandings, misstatements, miscommunications - yes, of course and again, I have the proof to back up my statements, but would I give this group the privelage of seeing that - No. I already gave too much just to not be understood, but that is okay - like I said before, computers are treacherous in some things.

Whatever happens, NO ONE here wishes you ill will.......and I am sure we all want to "support" you.............but just not to the point where that extends to ANY claim, accusation, etc........that you make.

Whether you believe it or not..................I really DO wish you the best of luck and a success with your husband's visa...and hope he will get it sooner....rather than later. Your frustration and pain, is very obvious.

I thank you for your best wishes - I am only sorry that I can not seem to get my point across. But PLEASE - I am not in pain - I am not frustrated - I am just fine and taking life one day at a time, but learned a long time ago - pain, anger and frustration does not ever help anyone. And by the way - good luck to all of you as well - I only wish people the best - not here to argue my case or get help from others for it. Was only trying to give people a little background of our situation because I was asked to - simple - done - over. Thanks for advice, but I have it taken care of.

[MPGGPM 0]

And just to set the record straight - I did not tell the CO that their report was a fabrication or a lie - I merely was stating that to this group - and in my detailed interview letter taht was just for pure purpose of record and meant to be a little colored - I did not, again, did not tell them that they lied - I made a statement that would open the door a little to consider that there may have been some misunderstandings, misstatements or miscommunications - big difference. If you think this is just a nice way to tell them they are lying - fine, but it was jsut a statement!

So you are basically saying that as long as you didn't "formally" send a statement to the CO...............in the meantime it is still okay to come here on a forum and start to make some very serious unsubstantiated accusations against them?

NO - really thre is one bad thing about talking over computers - no one ever seems to get the point.

Tell me about it......cause you didn't get mine.

What I meant was you didn't send the CO anything "formally"....accusing them of lying. Rather, you just preferred to come on here and do it.

So, rather than go straight to them with your accusations, you'd rather just do it on this forum.

Your statement to the CO, says one thing................and what you are trying to explain to us here, is saying something very different.

If you have facts as you say (that we are not "privy" to etc...)......then why not tell THEM in your letter that they are lying and also give the proper authorities the proof you claim to have?

You say you have things to back it up.............then I fail to see why you are only accusing them here, but not directly.

With that approach, how is anyone supposed to "support" your side of this?

When all you have to say in response is something like....."I have information that corroberates my story .....but I can't tell you all what it is...."..............

Then, if that is all that you can say to the people on this forum, when you create a thread filled with various accusations , I don't think you should be very shocked when people respond to you in the ways that they did. What do you expect ?

And now you are acting all indignant and surprised..................

If everything is so true, I fail to see what you have to lose by writing all this to the CO directly, and in fact, it should then be the consulate that is "shaking in their boots"..................with all this "proof" you claim to have against them.

In the meantime, I think you should also understand when all you have to offer is your "word" to everyone here...........as your argument in defense of all the accusations that you have made.............then you shouldn't act so shocked , when all you seem to get , is so much doubt about those very accusations, in return.

[aicha 0]

And just to set the record straight - I did not tell the CO that their report was a fabrication or a lie - I merely was stating that to this group - and in my detailed interview letter taht was just for pure purpose of record and meant to be a little colored - I did not, again, did not tell them that they lied - I made a statement that would open the door a little to consider that there may have been some misunderstandings, misstatements or miscommunications - big difference. If you think this is just a nice way to tell them they are lying - fine, but it was jsut a statement!

So you are basically saying that as long as you didn't "formally" send a statement to the CO...............in the meantime it is still okay to come here on a forum and start to make some very serious unsubstantiated accusations against them?

NO - really thre is one bad thing about talking over computers - no one ever seems to get the point.

Tell me about it......cause you didn't get mine. It is okay - we both are individuals and have our own opinion.

What I meant was you didn't send the CO anything "formally"....accusing them of lying. Rather, you just preferred to come on here and do it. You do not know everything I have sent to the CO and respectably, that is no one's business. Again - Again - all I said was someone asked me to come on here and do a post to just explain a little about me and our situation and experience. I did not realize that so many were going to come back and make statements and try to give advice or correct what I was doing. For one - Why on earth would I put our whole case out there to people who really have nothing to do with it or trying to get it fixed - that really would be just not smart to begin with. Just because I was brave enough to give you a little about our situation and to give you a little of our experieince - did not mean I was handing over the right to anyone to see all of our papers, letters, ect. taht have been sent and received. You got two pieces out of several dozen. Again - Again - I am not asking for advice - I am not asking for help - this was just a sample of our experience. Can I continue to make statements about them - Yes, can I continue to back up my statements - Yes! Do I need to make them out for viewing by the public - No.

So, rather than go straight to them with your accusations, you'd rather just do it on this forum. I have went straight to them and others as well, Senators, Speaker of the House, USCIS, NVC, DOS, DHS, The Ambassador of the CO here, and so on and so on. Is it your business or your privelege to see all of that info - No. The reason I generally do not ever go on places like this and post "my experience" - is because people are never happy until they have the complete run down of the experience from start to finish - I merely do not believe that any of you need to have all of the details - things like that can shoot a person in the foot if those details get out. And Again, you all seem to think I wanted and was asking for advice and help - Again, I was not.

Your statement to the CO, says one thing................and what you are trying to explain to us here, is saying something very different. I was not really trying to explain anything - I was just giving a little background - Again, because someone on here asked me to - simple! I just do not see why that is so hard to understand - I was not asking for opinions, help or advice! If someone wanted to come on my post and reply with - "nice to meet you, if there is anything you need help with or advice on - feel free to let me know" - or just a simple "hello and welcome" - nothing!

If you have facts as you say (that we are not "privy" to etc...)......then why not tell THEM in your letter that they are lying and also give the proper authorities the proof you claim to have? These things have been done! Again I say this.

You say you have things to back it up.............then I fail to see why you are only accusing them here, but not directly. I have done this directly - am I going to give everyone that information or how I am acieving my goals at this time - No, not yet, just realize I am making tremendous progress with my methods.

With that approach, how is anyone supposed to "support" your side of this? I was never asking for support, we are doing just fine on the thngs we are doing to tackle our issues - was just giving a little detail to our experience. If people on here wanted to come back and ask how are you handling your situation? - Can you offer any help at this time to others? - Are your methods working and are you getting anywhere to fix your issues at hand? - etc., etc.

When all you have to say in response is something like....."I have information that corroberates my story .....but I can't tell you all what it is....".............. Have you ever heard the term - "I can not make public evidence until I have completed the process of rebuttal" - ? If I go off and start letting out things that I am using - I could damage my case.

Then, if that is all that you can say to the people on this forum, when you create a thread filled with various accusations , I don't think you should be very shocked when people respond to you in the ways that they did. What do you expect ? I have the right of free speech to make accusations to anyone over anything - but believe me when I tell you, I never make accusations without the ability to back it up. Do I have to explain in detail my reasons for accusations to the public at hand - no, I do not! If I was asking for anyone's assistance THEN it would be different and I would meet with that person on a private basis to discuss all of that information. Just coming on and doing a short introduction and a brief experience layout - did not mean I was crying out for help and advice or support.

And now you are acting all indignant and surprised.................. No - that is just what you think, but not the accurate truth - if you know me as a person, then you can make statements like that - but you do not know me as a person. I TRULY am not surprised at all and really have no anger in this either - really you do not know me and I am a very laid back person, things like this do not bother me, just wake me up to debate - like I said before, this is why I usually do not go on public forums and do this;

If everything is so true, I fail to see what you have to lose by writing all this to the CO directly, and in fact, it should then be the consulate that is "shaking in their boots"..................with all this "proof" you claim to have against them. I have wrote many things to the CO and again I will say - I am not sharing those things with the public at this time. I am not hiding any of my feelings from them in this matter and I believe every person and contact I have made in any government office knows exactly the things I believe took place in this interview. I just have chose to do things in a little more of a diplomatic manner then just blurting in their faces "oh, you lied", that would be very ignorant on my part - I want to make points added with proof and I have been doing just that, not just say "you lied" - pure and simple.

In the meantime, I think you should also understand when all you have to offer is your "word" to everyone here...........as your argument in defense of all the accusations that you have made.............then you shouldn't act so shocked , when all you seem to get , is so much doubt about those very accusations, in return.

Again, if I was asking for advice, asking for help, asking for support - then I would have been coming back and saying hey thank you for the advice - I have done this , I have done that, oh I did not know that, etc., etc. - I do not need to defend my accusations to any of you - I am not making the accusations against you - those are against the CO and my defense of those accusations are being proved and dealt with. So for the last time - I DID NOT ASK FOR ADVICE - HELP OR SUPPORT - I just did what someone else asked me to do because I was new to this website. I DID NOT OPEN THE DOOR TO SAY "HELP ME PLEASE" - I have my case taken care of!

Please understand - I am a good natured person, with a good heart and the only thing I care about in this world is helping others. Get to know me before you make judgements agaisnt me or my case. In private I may discuss more with a person I trust then I would in an open forum to the public. If my words are still not understood after this post, I do not know what else to say to any of you.

[meauxna 15]

I DID NOT ASK FOR ADVICE - HELP OR SUPPORT - I just did what someone else asked me to do because I was new to this website. I DID NOT OPEN THE DOOR TO SAY "HELP ME PLEASE" - I have my case taken care of!

How were we supposed to know *any* of that? You did not put that disclaimer in your story, did you?

It's the nature of this community to offer suggestions; you didn't let anyone know that they were forbidden. If you wanted to keep your story private you could have emailed it to the person requesting it.

[DA BOMB 1]

GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD!!!! Geez lady - get over it!!

[Marilyn. 340]

I DID NOT ASK FOR ADVICE - HELP OR SUPPORT - I just did what someone else asked me to do because I was new to this website. I DID NOT OPEN THE DOOR TO SAY "HELP ME PLEASE" - I have my case taken care of!

How were we supposed to know *any* of that? You did not put that disclaimer in your story, did you?

It's the nature of this community to offer suggestions; you didn't let anyone know that they were forbidden. If you wanted to keep your story private you could have emailed it to the person requesting it.

actually she kind of did...

I was vasked about my situation and if I had informed the VJ of my situation - No I had not as of yet - been really caught up in the process of fighting this denial. I did update my timeline and put a note in my profile - but now I will try to give details of our situation.

Our interview for a K-3 VISA was on March 21, 2007 at 8 am with the wonderful Casablanca, Morocco consulate. I know this consulate has had a lot of mixed review and according to our lawyer this consulates denial rate is over 50 percent. I would love to add our detailed step by step interview, but it is quite large. Through many daily contacts and lies from the consulate - I finally got the confirmation date of return of our papers and also the reason for denial. Mind you I contacted them daily and finally sent out a very long letter to the Ambassador, the Consulate General and teh Cosulate Chief Officer - with this I got the specific reasons for denial. Here is that response:

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Edited April 18, 2007 by MarilynP

[MPGGPM 0]

I think you need to take some responsibilty for your actions, and perhaps realize that the response you received that day, was more your fault than anyone else's. For some reason, you just don't seem to want to accept the fact that the reason you received such responses, was mainly due to the way you behaved that day.

And furthermore, I personally disagree with your insisting that you do not have to provide much details or evidence to the people on this website. I think you are forgetting the fact that on that day, you started out by making numerous posts, asking for people to join your petition.

Don't you think the "least" you could do is give those same people you are asking to go out on a limb for you, and join that petition, some idea of exactly who and what, they would be joining that petition for?

I think the very least you could do , is provide more details, otherwise, I don't think you have the right to ask anyone to participate in that petition, if in return you won't provide more details about you and your case.

And if you don't want to...fine. But then at the same time, if you are going to take that approach, then in return, you should not ask and expect anyone to participate in it.

I also think you are continuing to not face the reality of your actions.............and continually acting as a victim in all this.

You have to remember you started your one post, by accusing the consulate of "fabrication". That is a VERY serious claim to make.

Your story really has gone everywhere. First you claimed the consulate fabricated things against you. Then you backed off of that. Then you said they were "good at lying", and backed off of that. Now, you are saying you only accused them of "misunderstanding".

Don't you think there is a pretty HUGE distinction between fabricating, lying.................and simple misunderstandings?

I think you are not taking responsibilty for your actions.

Not to be too harsh, but just from my own point of view, and based on how you have made so many changes in your story, and have gone back and forth........................I would say you at this point have more of a credibility gap than the consulate.

Considering you have changed your story and the level of your accusations over and over...........who is to say that YOU.......rather than the Consulate is not making things up or stretching the truth?

In their email, they seemed to have made some pretty good arguments for their side. In your defense you said that they could be making it up.

However, considering how often you have changed your story, whether you are or not, who is to say YOU are not as well?

Why is it okay for you to make a ton of seemingly wild accusations against the consulate, and that is okay.....................but then when people ask to hear more details of your side of the story, and for proof of your accusations, you feel as though you don't need to?

Then don't make such accusations in the first place, or if you do, then don't get all bent out of shape when people start to doubt your story, and ask for more evidence.

I don't personally see what gives you the right to make any wild claim you desire,.............and then at the same time, don't have to give any details or evidence to back up those claims. Doesn't seem very fair to me................

[Fandango 1,439]

I DID NOT ASK FOR ADVICE - HELP OR SUPPORT - I just did what someone else asked me to do because I was new to this website. I DID NOT OPEN THE DOOR TO SAY "HELP ME PLEASE" - I have my case taken care of!

How were we supposed to know *any* of that? You did not put that disclaimer in your story, did you?

It's the nature of this community to offer suggestions; you didn't let anyone know that they were forbidden. If you wanted to keep your story private you could have emailed it to the person requesting it.

actually she kind of did...

I was vasked about my situation and if I had informed the VJ of my situation - No I had not as of yet - been really caught up in the process of fighting this denial. I did update my timeline and put a note in my profile - but now I will try to give details of our situation.

Our interview for a K-3 VISA was on March 21, 2007 at 8 am with the wonderful Casablanca, Morocco consulate. I know this consulate has had a lot of mixed review and according to our lawyer this consulates denial rate is over 50 percent. I would love to add our detailed step by step interview, but it is quite large. Through many daily contacts and lies from the consulate - I finally got the confirmation date of return of our papers and also the reason for denial. Mind you I contacted them daily and finally sent out a very long letter to the Ambassador, the Consulate General and teh Cosulate Chief Officer - with this I got the specific reasons for denial. Here is that response:

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meh, Marilyn I think it's still a grey area cos nowhere does that say she doesn't want advice or she was only doing it for vj's 'benefit'

[ya falaha! 0]

I didn't read this entire thread but I did read about certain details of the marriage.

Forgive me but I don't think I could marry someone that I had to use hand gestures with and have to have a friend to translate. I can see the CO's concern. Sorry.

[Jenn! 918]

I didn't read this entire thread but I did read about certain details of the marriage.

Forgive me but I don't think I could marry someone that I had to use hand gestures with and have to have a friend to translate. I can see the CO's concern. Sorry.

Uh oh, you should read the thread. You are so gonna get it!

[ya falaha! 0]

I said, "forgive me", first. That always makes things ok. Same with, "with all due respect".

[Reynaldo 0]

I didn't read this entire thread but I did read about certain details of the marriage.

Forgive me but I don't think I could marry someone that I had to use hand gestures with and have to have a friend to translate. I can see the CO's concern. Sorry.

What if your SO (god forbid) is deaf?