Liberal Legal Scholar Scoffs At Claims Donald Trump Jr. Guilty Of Treason

[Dashinka 24,492]

1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

um, daca maybe? not deporting folks who have been hear 25+ years and ripping them from their american citizen children? you go for open borders because you know it's an unattainable policy, even if the majority were in favor of it. 

So someone who came here illegally or dragged by a parent illegally in complete disregard for our laws should be rewarded?  I had many people suggest I have Katya just go to Mexico and come into the US illegally, of course we did not follow their completely fraudulent advice and did things legally which is how everyone else should act.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, ccneat said:

no

hmmm, this one is difficult. is "reformed" another way of saying "lord of the flies",?

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2 minutes ago, ccneat said:

no

Then what needs to be reformed?  Although the process (in my case for a family based visa and adjustment) can be frustrating we did not find it too onerous other than the waiting, but how could that be changed with such a large bureaucracy that is the federal government.

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Just now, Bill & Katya said:

So someone who came here illegally or dragged by a parent illegally in complete disregard for our laws should be rewarded?  I had many people suggest I have Katya just go to Mexico and come into the US illegally, of course we did not follow their completely fraudulent advice and did things legally which is how everyone else should act.

i don't think that people that have been living and contributing to our country for years upon years and even have us citizen underaged children should be deported. i don't support punishing children for their parent's actions, citizen or not.

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Just now, smilesammich said:

i don't think that people that have been living and contributing to our country for years upon years and even have us citizen underaged children should be deported. i don't support punishing children for their parent's actions, citizen or not.

So the parent(s) should be deported, but let the children stay?

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4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So the parent(s) should be deported, but let the children stay?

you know just as well as anyone else on this immigration forum that individual's immigration timelines and situations vary greatly. i think that anyone here right now without papers should have the opportunity to apply for permanent residence status with an avenue towards citizenship, case by case basis. when people start talking about deporting people who have lived here since they were toddlers, like just drop them over the border or people who are in fear for their lives (specifically the case of the iraqi christians) i have zero respect for that sort of blanket callousness.  

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11 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Then what needs to be reformed?  Although the process (in my case for a family based visa and adjustment) can be frustrating we did not find it too onerous other than the waiting, but how could that be changed with such a large bureaucracy that is the federal government.

I guess the House Republicans agreed with you

 

 

'The strong bipartisan vote we took is going to send a message,' Chuck Schumer said. | REUTERS

 

 

 

Senate passes immigration bill

By SEUNG MIN KIM 

06/27/2013 04:25 PM EDT

 

Updated 06/28/2013 12:19 AM EDT

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The Senate on Thursday passed the most monumental overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in a generation, which would clear the way for millions of undocumented residents to have a chance at citizenship, attract workers from all over the world and devote unprecedented resources for security along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The vote was 68-32. Fourteen Republicans crossed the aisle to vote with all Democrats in favor. Thursday’s vote now puts the onus of immigration reform on the Republican-led House, where leaders have been resistant to the Senate legislation.

“The strong bipartisan vote we took is going to send a message across the country, it’s going to send a message to the other end of the Capitol as well,” said Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), the leader of the so-called Gang of Eight. “The bill has generated a level of support that we believe will be impossible for the House to ignore.

( Also on POLITICO: Republicans who voted for the bill)

The bill was a product of not only weeks of floor debate and committee rewrites, but months of private negotiations by the Gang of Eight — the group of four Democrats and four Republicans — to produce legislation that would give the Senate a shot at passing immigration reform, something it was unable to do just six years ago.

Republicans, shellacked by Mitt Romney’s 44-point loss among Latinos in the 2012 presidential election, almost immediately coalesced behind immigration reform as a top priority. The Gang of Eight got together last fall and recruited veterans of the 2007 immigration battle such as Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), long-time champions of reform such as Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and high-wattage Senate newcomers, like Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.).

If Congress passes immigration reform, it would make good on a promise from President Barack Obama and likely become his most significant policy achievement in his second term. In a statement, Obama emphasized that the bill was collaborative effor

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Isn't it much nicer to discuss immigration than the topic in the OP? 

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, ready4ONE said:

Isn't it much nicer to discuss immigration than the topic in the OP? 

fake news! everyone knows legal scholars can't be liberals!

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8 minutes ago, ready4ONE said:

Isn't it much nicer to discuss immigration than the topic in the OP? 

Hush , the mods will move this out of CEHESTville unless we are discussing immigration in terms of hordes of muslims and drug dealers descending upon western civiliation

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9 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

fake news! everyone knows legal scholars can't be liberals!

If i am not mistaken Obama was s so called constitutional scholar 

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1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

If i am not mistaken Obama was s so called constitutional scholar 

you heard it hear first folks "so-called"!

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Then what needs to be reformed?  Although the process (in my case for a family based visa and adjustment) can be frustrating we did not find it too onerous other than the waiting, but how could that be changed with such a large bureaucracy that is the federal government.

That's what I am trying to understand as well. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

55 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

you heard it hear first folks "so-called"!

Actually so called has been all the rage buzzword by the MDL as of late . Sadly I can't take credit for it.

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Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Actually so called has been all the rage buzzword by the MDL as of late . Sadly I can't take credit for it.

when it comes to constitutional scholars and prezidents - either you is or you isn't..