K-3 Denial - Morocco, of course

[brnidokiegurl 0]

Ambassador, the Consulate General and teh Cosulate Chief Officer - I know of Mckeever could i have names and address of others,

[babybunny 2]

what is that letter for? to dayum your case or to help it? its not addressing Nothing. too much finger pointing..

I think you need to clean it up.. - try again!

[babybunny 2]

think of how you can make a BRICK WALL crumble.. this is how you will over come the denial. if you live in morocco then address the need for your man to have a translator.

[MPGGPM 0]

does it make it right - no, not even close and if I thought the way you are telling me to think - I might as well throw in the towel right now and not fight for something that I know is right.

Cases are tried in courts for both sides to be presented - I could have wrote that e-mail too - does not make it right.

I didn't mean give up on your case entirely. I wouldn't do that if it were my wife in the situation that your husband is in......and I don't expect you to do it for him. I would fight to the ends of the world for her........and I am sure you would do the same for your husband.

I only meant that if you are going to accuse them of "fabrication" ....that unless you had anything to back up that claim, I didn't think you had much of a chance of getting anyone to take your side on that without proof.

Although you have changed the claims of "fabrication"..................you are still accusing them of making things up and lying. (doesn't seem like any disctinction between that and the term "fabrication")

Personally...I think you should give up accusing them of lying, fabricating etc........and just focus on doing what is best for you and your husband right now. That should be your real focus.

Even if that means jumping through a few hoops and going through some more hurdles. We've all had to do that for the sake of our spouses.

Just concentrate your efforts on getting more proof that your relationship with your husband is genuine. Because until you can convince them that it is..........all the accusations etc, won't help a thing.....or get you very far.

You are just going to frustrate and aggravate yourself and your husband , more.

Just giving my opinion and advice.

Good luck, either way......no matter how you decide to proceed with your case.

[babybunny 2]

first here is a link: read it

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...c=64045&hl=

the bottom line is you want your husband home. sit back and think how you will reverse this. its like an elephant in the room. you can address the issues so the elephant can leave. or you can ignore it for years. by doing so you are

1. not allowing your husband here

2. allowing the problem to remain constant in your life. no matter if you file 1001 petitons the issues MUST be addressed and cleared up.

[Caladan 19]

aicha, I've read over your account, and the summary given by the consulate is shorter, but it doesn't seem to contradict anything in your account except that the two of you don't need his friends to communicate in person.

There's a different spin on it, obviously. You see your husband as answering the questions and the interviewer sees a guy who describes the website (but doesn't say Yahoo personals) and how to search for the sort of women he wants, who doesn't (in the Consular officer's mind) speak adequate English, and who can reel off a list of facts about his intended, suggesting that he's been well-coached.

And it's good that you've provided this because the interviewee thinks he's answering some simple questions, and the interviewer draws a lot more from it. It's like giving an interview with a reporter and being surprised when the article comes out.

So the question is, where do you go from here? I think you're going to have a hard time arguing fabrication; even if that's true, the consular officer's account seems to jive enough with yours that you'd have a very hard time proving it.

The big worries here seem to be that his English isn't good enough to communicate with you (e-mail is fine, but e-mail, in the COs mind, doesn't have to be written by the interviewee) and that his description of the site sounded like he went hunting for an American (to an unsympathetic mind, and they are unsympathetic), and that his knowledge of you seems to be limited to 'name, rank, serial number.' That's what needs to be addressed.

So, some things to think about: can you show that his English has been improving over the year you've been together? What about your Arabic? Has it been improving? That would show he's not overly reliant on friends. Can you explain that you met on Yahoo! Personals? Who contacted whom? Did you meet while chatting, or by an e-mail? Has he met your children? Does he talk to them online or e-mail them? Photos?

They probably have a lot of this information, but what you're doing isn't providing just more information. You're providing the sort of narrative framework that allows the CO to see all the evidence as you see it.

You're very brave for posting this, and best of luck.

[babybunny 2]

excellent advise!

[chiquita 0]

consulate can lie til they are green in the face. they are the issuers of the visa rember that when pointing a finger. rolling past that.. how about showing the proof to the USICS. They dont care about assumptions they want FACTS.

you need an attorney to help you with your rebuttle.

i can help

chi

consulate can lie til they are green in the face. they are the issuers of the visa rember that when pointing a finger. rolling past that.. how about showing the proof to the USICS. They dont care about assumptions they want FACTS.

you need an attorney to help you with your rebuttle.

i can help

chi

[babybunny 2]

Chi.. i posted your link ... I think you can help her ..but, she has to be willing to listion to ya.

[chiquita 0]

okie dokie my replies are messed up.

number 1>>>

I CAN HELP YOU!

number 2>>>

YOU NEED NOT SECOND GUESS HOW TO GET HIM TO THE STATES.

number 3>>>you mentioned you have an attorny, is he good? does he know about the situation you currently find yourself in?

chi

[meauxna 15]

the bottom line is you want your husband home. sit back and think how you will reverse this. its like an elephant in the room. you can address the issues so the elephant can leave. or you can ignore it for years. by doing so you are

1. not allowing your husband here

2. allowing the problem to remain constant in your life. no matter if you file 1001 petitons the issues MUST be addressed and cleared up.

Exactly---is it more important to be "right" or to get what you are after?

You got some great replies here--just throwing my two cents' worth in. Your letter is very passionate, but more suitable for your friends. I can't see it accomplishing forward movement toward a visa, for the reasons already mentioned here.

Edited April 15, 2007 by meauxna

[MPGGPM 0]

number 3>>>you mentioned you have an attorny, is he good?

chi[/color]

If this is the advice he gave to her below..........

My lawyer even went on to tell me that we should divorce and marry in another country or at least try to get to anotehr country and get residency papers and then we would go through that country's consulate instead - I was applaed at my lawyer for this - I need him to do his job, not give me things that just are not an option finacially or emotionall!

Then it doesn't sound like it.

I agree with her on that part of her post. If a lawyer just gave me that same advice that he gave to her...........it'd tick me off too!

What's the point of paying for a lawyer, if they're just going to tell you that?

I'd be looking for another lawyer.............................

Edited April 15, 2007 by MPGGPM

[Caladan 19]

Your letter's a good start, but it might help to strip it of some of the background. They're not going to give a damn that he was tired or had a long commute or was mistakenly asked for originals if none of that figured in the 221g.

You say in it you've studied philosophy, so you know how arguments work. Grant the assumption; undermine the premises. I'd start with the correspondence they gave you that explains why they denied it. Analyze it into reasons: no common language, including reliance on translators; way of meeting that looks like he went American hunting; and no intimate knowledge of your life.

Then rebutt those one by one with evidence. Are they wrong on the facts? Then show how. Are they wrong on the interpretation but right on the facts? Show them why your interpretation is better. Did they misunderstand him during the interview? Explain what he meant and back it up with documents.

Another thing I thought of as I was brainstorming how I would prove that C. and I were real if it came up....: do the two of you have e-mails where you discuss your future plans, not just get to the USA plans, but things like whether you'd have kids, or whether you'd want private school for them, or whether you think ballet is good for girls or leads to eating disorders? or your favorite memories or stories of your grandma or the little stuff that doesn't look like anything but forms the fabric of the relationship? Things that show that the two of you know each other well that doesn't look like a laundry list of common facts.

[babybunny 2]

perhaps your attorney was telling you .. have him move to lets say CANADA apply for resident there. you can possible move closer to lets say the CAN. border. mean while fight for your case. that has been suggested in these and waiver cases before. There is a lady on here that got some banishment and she moved to CAN and her husband visits her on the weekends.

[babybunny 2]

you know the embassy is also protecting you too. from being frauded.