Will the new travel Ban affect fiance visas also ?

[geowrian 22,337]

46 minutes ago, ruby12345 said:

What about green card holders applying for a relative to come in? Do they have to be citizen or green card?

The wording from the court makes no distinction between a USC or LPR petitioner for the purposes of determining a bona fide relationship to the US.

[TriloByte 1,818]

On 6/27/2017 at 1:42 PM, DILAW said:

I see what you mean.  Maybe you are right and I am wrong, but I still don't think an engagement is a bona fide relationship.  Marriage is definitely is, but not an engagement. 

Something is messed up with your logic, sorry.

 

Go to this link and see step 2 point 4:

 

https://www.uscis.gov/family/k-1-process-step-step

 

It says: "If the DOS consular officer does not find the relationship bona fide, the K-1 visa will be refused, and the K-1 petition will be returned to USCIS."

 

Obviously, relationships are found to be "bona fide" in the eyes of the government, before people are married, or else no person would have ever been issued a K-1 visa.

[DILAW 94]

6 minutes ago, TriloByte said:

Something is messed up with your logic, sorry.

 

Go to this link and see step 2 point 4:

 

https://www.uscis.gov/family/k-1-process-step-step

 

It says: "If the DOS consular officer does not find the relationship bona fide, the K-1 visa will be refused, and the K-1 petition will be returned to USCIS."

 

Obviously, relationships are found to be "bona fide" in the eyes of the government, before people are married, or else no person would have ever been issued a K-1 visa.

Read my last post, i am convinced now.  Comment on the last thing i posted

[TriloByte 1,818]

1 minute ago, DILAW said:

Read my last post, i am convinced now.  Comment on the last thing i posted

I see. Isn't it all just speculation at this point anyway?

 

[DILAW 94]

8 minutes ago, TriloByte said:

I see. Isn't it all just speculation at this point anyway?

 

To be honest with you, before reading what others posted i thought a fiancee had 5% chance, but now that 5% is 90%

[DILAW 94]

8 hours ago, Ebunoluwa said:

You are too hung up on 'relative'. Students with valid visas that plan to attend school and employees with valid visas that are
coming to work here for a company ALL have a bona fide relationship either with the school or company.
The term bona fide relationship goes for them too and they are not "family" or "engaged" but just students and employees with a valid
(as in bona fide)  relationship to school or company and with a visa.

You are correct and i have changed my stance and opinion.  I truly believe a fiancee now will qualify.  Read my latest post.  

[LabOz 915]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/29/politics/revised-travel-ban-thursday/index.html

If I recall the San bernardino attack was carried out by a couple who did the K-1 so they might be looking at this if it is from one of the countries below.

 

Oddly enough the couple above came in from Pakistan which is not on the current ban list.

 

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-k1-visas-20151208-story.html

 

Side note: 20% of K-1's (which is the most) come from Philippines

Who can't enter the US?

The test for foreign nationals under the Supreme Court's ruling is whether one has a "credible claim of bona fide relationship" with either an entity (like a school or a job) or a person living in the US (such as a spouse).

 

 

If you can't sufficiently establish such a close relationship, you are banned for 90 days if you are from Libya, Syria, Iran, Somalia, Yemen and Sudan, and 120 days if you are a refugee from any country.

 

The new guidelines, sent to overseas posts on Wednesday, say that applicants must prove a relationship with a parent, spouse, son, daughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law or sibling in the US, according to a senior administration official. They have not yet been posted by the State Department or the Department of Homeland Security and could be subject to change.

Advocacy groups such as Amnesty International plan to send researchers to US airports, such as Dulles International Airport and John F. Kennedy Airport on Thursday, to monitor developments and observe implementation of the ban in case any disputes arise.

Edited June 29, 2017 by LabOz

[EandH0904 1,184]

According to the Associated Press (not fake news) on a just released statement, a fiancé is NOT considered a close relative. 

 

This is absolute ridiculousness: "Grandparents, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law, fiancees or other extended family members are not considered to be close relationships."

 

https://apnews.com/236a53e871e5484db90f1b81daa1aade/The-Latest:-US-issues-new-visa-criteria-for-6-Muslim-nations?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

 

[LabOz 915]

7 minutes ago, EandH0904 said:

According to the Associated Press (not fake news) on a just released statement, a fiancé is NOT considered a close relative. 

 

This is absolute ridiculousness: "Grandparents, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law, fiancees or other extended family members are not considered to be close relationships."

 

https://apnews.com/236a53e871e5484db90f1b81daa1aade/The-Latest:-US-issues-new-visa-criteria-for-6-Muslim-nations?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/28/trump-travel-ban-us-issues-new-visa-criteria-for-6-muslim-nations.html

 

The President of the United States does not think it is so "ridiculous".

[Shahrooz 1]

Both my Fiance and I are too stressed over this, the whole process has been like 2 years now , we planned the wedding ,honeymood ... and we are not sure about anything, still no idea whats going to happen and how longer we have to wait

Everyday we checking the news for a good one but nothing yet ... 

[gh.ala15 0]

Hi , I am in the same situation and in administrative processing , I have had my interview and I dont know if those who have had their interview what would be the result for them, will this new travel ban cancel their visa or will they resume this administrative processing ?

[RJandHamid 1,133]

5 minutes ago, gh.ala15 said:

Hi , I am in the same situation and in administrative processing , I have had my interview and I dont know if those who have had their interview what would be the result for them, will this new travel ban cancel their visa or will they resume this administrative processing ?

If you are a fiancee from one of the countries on the list (Libya, Syria, Iran, Somalia, Yemen or Sudan), you won't be enter the US for at least the next 90 days. I don't think the ban cancels visas that are in process, but expect to be under administrative processing for at least the next 3 months. Other than that, there isn't much more information available at this time.

[gh.ala15 0]

Thank you very much Dear

20 minutes ago, RJandHamid said:

If you are a fiancee from one of the countries on the list (Libya, Syria, Iran, Somalia, Yemen or Sudan), you won't be enter the US for at least the next 90 days. I don't think the ban cancels visas that are in process, but expect to be under administrative processing for at least the next 3 months. Other than that, there isn't much more information available at this time.

Dear RjandHamid  Thank you very much for your reply , I hope at least they wont cancel the ongoing visa  processing because this will make a really big trouble . SO need to wait so more another three months ....and dont know after that what will happen

[gh.ala15 0]

Thank you very much for your reply , I appreciate it 

 

[geowrian 22,337]

11 hours ago, EandH0904 said:

According to the Associated Press (not fake news) on a just released statement, a fiancé is NOT considered a close relative. 

 

This is absolute ridiculousness: "Grandparents, grandchildren, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, cousins, brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law, fiancees or other extended family members are not considered to be close relationships."

 

https://apnews.com/236a53e871e5484db90f1b81daa1aade/The-Latest:-US-issues-new-visa-criteria-for-6-Muslim-nations?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

To be fair, that's only the administration's perspective. Go figure they would distort the intent of the ruling...and note even they used the wording "close relationship", whereas the actual wording from SCOTUS for the exclusion was "bona fide relationship with a U.S. person or entity". They did the same thing with the original ban by overstepping bounds...applying it to LPRs when there was absolutely no legal basis or authority for them to do so.

 

The weird thing to me is the following paragraph:

"The new guidelines sent to U.S. embassies and consulates on Wednesday say that applicants from the six countries must prove a relationship with a parent, spouse, child, adult son or daughter, son-in-law, daughter-in-law or sibling in the U.S. "

 

Since when do any in-laws count as a "close (family) relationship" for any immigration purpose? And why only sons and daughters (no age restrictions), but not parents or siblings? This (again) reeks of people hastily writing rules without an understanding of current law or how things are done just to get something out the door.