CBO score could show Senate bill leaves 22 million without insurance

[CaliCat 3,957]

10 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Wait, I heard the Dems crafted the best law for healthcare, passed it before reading it, and had a Dem President sign it and add his name to it.  This all happened less than 10 years ago and now you are telling me it is a piece of ####### and needs to be changed?  I guess the Dems put this country in a pretty crappy position.

 

 

It would put them in a crappy position if they had the majority. What really is embarrassing is having a so-called president whose party has the majority, and yet no decent legislation can be passed. What is really embarrassing however, is that the GOP spent a lot of energy into trying to repeal the ACA, and after all the promises, they can't deliver on it, and are following in the footsteps of the dems.

 

However, the real kicker is that the people who voted for Trump believed he could fix the ACA, and yet, he's sticking it to them with a big smile on his face. 

 

The winning is almost unbearable. LOL.

[Dashinka 24,864]

12 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

It would put them in a crappy position if they had the majority. What really is embarrassing is having a so-called president whose party has the majority, and yet no decent legislation can be passed. What is really embarrassing however, is that the GOP spent a lot of energy into trying to repeal the ACA, and after all the promises, they can't deliver on it, and are following in the footsteps of the dems.

 

However, the real kicker is that the people who voted for Trump believed he could fix the ACA, and yet, he's sticking it to them with a big smile on his face. 

 

The winning is almost unbearable. LOL.

So the Dems came up with a winner with the ACA?  Then why change anything?

Edited June 27, 2017 by Bill & Katya

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

15 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Do the Dems came up with a winner with the ACA then why change anything?

Everyone  thinks ACA can be better. However The GOP has pinned their brand to repeal and replace. 1/3 of their leaders think government should have nothing (or dramatically diminished)to do with healthcare which puts them in the spot of not having the replace votes. 

The dog has caught the car, what does he do now.?

 

Edited June 27, 2017 by ccneat

[Dashinka 24,864]

3 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Everyone  thinks ACA can be better. However The GOP has pinned their brand to repeal and replace. 1/3 of their leaders think government should have nothing (or dramatically diminished)to do with healthcare which puts them in the spot of not having the replace votes. 

The dog has caught the car, whay does he do now.?

 

There is nothing about either the House or the Senate bill that even comes close to resembling a repeal and replace.  So to me, the best course of action is to leave the ACA unchanged. 

Edited June 27, 2017 by Bill & Katya

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

11 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

It would put them in a crappy position if they had the majority. What really is embarrassing is having a so-called president whose party has the majority, and yet no decent legislation can be passed. What is really embarrassing however, is that the GOP spent a lot of energy into trying to repeal the ACA, and after all the promises, they can't deliver on it, and are following in the footsteps of the dems.

 

However, the real kicker is that the people who voted for Trump believed he could fix the ACA, and yet, he's sticking it to them with a big smile on his face. 

 

The winning is almost unbearable. LOL.

I am sorry but if the adults in America really thought that Trumpcare was really going to be cheaper , better and for everyone, then the problem is not with Trump but with the thinking skills of adults in this country.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

There is nothing about either the House or the Senate bill that even comes close to resembling a repeal and replace.  So to me, the best course of action is to leave the ACA unchanged. 

My personal feeling: we are moving toward universal care..but i fear that fight more. 

[Dashinka 24,864]

3 minutes ago, ccneat said:

My personal feeling: we are moving toward universal care..but i fear that fight more. 

The GOP will never get universal care passed themselves, and the Dems will never vote for anything the GOP come up with even if it is universal care. So at this point, we should probably just leave the ACA alone. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

The GOP will never get universal care passed themselves, and the Dems will never vote for anything the GOP come up with even if it is universal care. So at this point, we should probably just leave the ACA alone. 

Or

Let this repeal and replace BS die down come back in the fall and get a d/r coalition of outsiders to go maverick. The problem is , i am sure the current leaders will not let that to come to the floor. McConnell, Pelosi and Ryan need to go, maybe Schumer as well. The bad news really is the freedom party inside the GOP, i dont know how to make those guys pull their heads out.

[Dashinka 24,864]

34 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Or

Let this repeal and replace BS die down come back in the fall and get a d/r coalition of outsiders to go maverick. The problem is , i am sure the current leaders will not let that to come to the floor. McConnell, Pelosi and Ryan need to go, maybe Schumer as well. The bad news really is the freedom party inside the GOP, i dont know how to make those guys pull their heads out.

The Freedom Caucus is a fairly small entity and really do not have any power to stop anything that would actually be bi-partisan.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

The Freedom Caucus is a fairly small entity and really do not have any power to stop anything that would actually be bi-partisan.

If Ryan and McConnell let such a bill through committee...they would burn the party down. Remember the credit rating crisis?

Edited June 27, 2017 by ccneat

[JimandChristy 1,689]

What some people forget is the ACA was a bipartisan bill. Yes it was passed only by Democrats but during it's creation there was over a year of debate, hearings in both the house and the Senate. Both sides sat down and tried to work it out. The ACA contained over 150 Republican amendments. When it came to vote Republicans no longer wanted to own it and let the Democrats take responsibility if it went bad. 

 

Since then all we've heard from the GOP is repeal and replace. They've had SEVEN years to come up with their own plan. This bill should've been amazing, seven years to tweak their ideas and come up with a bill that increases coverage and lower costs compared to the ACA. 

The bill we see now is the best they can do? Throws tens of millions off insurance and costs will still go up for the average consumer.

 

The ACA in it's current form is far better than the monstrosity the GOP is trying to push through now despite the fact the GOP have tried to destroy it by causing uncertainty in the insurance market.

[Dashinka 24,864]

4 minutes ago, JimandChristy said:

What some people forget is the ACA was a bipartisan bill. Yes it was passed only by Democrats but during it's creation there was over a year of debate, hearings in both the house and the Senate. Both sides sat down and tried to work it out. The ACA contained over 150 Republican amendments. When it came to vote Republicans no longer wanted to own it and let the Democrats take responsibility if it went bad. 

 

Since then all we've heard from the GOP is repeal and replace. They've had SEVEN years to come up with their own plan. This bill should've been amazing, seven years to tweak their ideas and come up with a bill that increases coverage and lower costs compared to the ACA. 

The bill we see now is the best they can do? Throws tens of millions off insurance and costs will still go up for the average consumer.

 

The ACA in it's current form is far better than the monstrosity the GOP is trying to push through now despite the fact the GOP have tried to destroy it by causing uncertainty in the insurance market.

Exactly, let's keep the ACA in place warts and all.

[JimandChristy 1,689]

4 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Exactly, let's keep the ACA in place warts and all.

I agree but I feel the only way we're going to get coverage up and costs down is to stop trying to integrate so many different programs into the healthcare system. We have Medicaid, Medicare, ACA, job based insurance, CHIP. There are 125 million people on Medicaid, Medicare and CHIP combined, that's a lot of people. Get rid of the private insurance industry and go single payer/universal health and join the rest of the first world.

[Dashinka 24,864]

Just now, JimandChristy said:

I agree but I feel the only way we're going to get coverage up and costs down is to stop trying to integrate so many different programs into the healthcare system. We have Medicaid, Medicare, ACA, job based insurance, CHIP. There are 125 million people on Medicaid, Medicare and CHIP combined, that's a lot of people. Get rid of the private insurance industry and go single payer/universal health and join the rest of the first world.

The Federal Government can never get rid of or consolidate any entitlement, or department no matter how redundant it might be.  This seems to be more of a law of bureaucracies than which party is in power.  While not an exact example, I live in Detroit and at the last election they were trying to get a millage tax increase to tie together the sketchy mass transit systems that partially serves the area.  The initiative failed primarily as it maintained the existing three entities along with their management in total and sought to create a 4th government funded organization  with its own management which would have to be paid for and would have some form of control over the other three.  I cannot guarantee, but I think it would have most likely passed if there was a plan to dismantle the existing entities and create just one overall mass transit department.  Bureaucrats will never learn.   

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 hour ago, JimandChristy said:

I agree but I feel the only way we're going to get coverage up and costs down is to stop trying to integrate so many different programs into the healthcare system. We have Medicaid, Medicare, ACA, job based insurance, CHIP. There are 125 million people on Medicaid, Medicare and CHIP combined, that's a lot of people. Get rid of the private insurance industry and go single payer/universal health and join the rest of the first world.

 

Neither Trump nor the GOP are interested in joining the first world. Their plan of wealth redistribution will make the rich richer, and the rest poorer. If anything, we're heading back to pre-revolutionary French times.