Trump's future immigration policies- speculation MEGATHREAD

[JFH 12,190]

1 minute ago, Ahmed & Amy said:

That's interesting that she thought that. 

Unfortunately many people have a negative opinion on immigration, but it's mainly out of ignorance and the lack of knowledge and understanding of immigration itself. For the longest time my mom thought my husband could just get on a plane and we could all live together happily ever after in the US so 'easily', because I'm a USC; she didn't understand the immigration process nor how other nationals enter the US. But when I had to explain to her, that it doesn't matter that I'm his wife and USC, we still must file for immigration, she was shocked. Well... now she knows. 

Indeed. Until people have personal dealings with immigration they have no idea how hard it is to immigrate. 

 

I had to return to the U.K. for work 72 hours after we got married. It was all the leave that I could get. I was crying a little on the flight home and the couple next to me asked what was wrong and I told them I had to leave my husband behind and we had only been married 3 days. They were certain that I could "just walk into the passport office and get your passport stamped" because I was married to an American. Clearly they have no idea how it works but they obviously don't need to know. 

 

My husband was denied and permanently banned from the U.K. due to a criminal conviction on his record from 1992, long before I met him. When people heard his visa had been denied they were shocked because in the U.K. there is a perception that anyone can just walk into the country and that "we let anyone and everyone in". I pointed out that if it's so easy to get into the U.K. legally why do people risk death in little boats in the Mediterranean or by clinging to the axle of a truck going through the tunnel from France to England to try and get into the country. Why would they do that if they could "just walk in"? 

[Ahmed & Amy 291]

1 minute ago, JFH said:

Indeed. Until people have personal dealings with immigration they have no idea how hard it is to immigrate. 

 

I had to return to the U.K. for work 72 hours after we got married. It was all the leave that I could get. I was crying a little on the flight home and the couple next to me asked what was wrong and I told them I had to leave my husband behind and we had only been married 3 days. They were certain that I could "just walk into the passport office and get your passport stamped" because I was married to an American. Clearly they have no idea how it works but they obviously don't need to know. 

 

My husband was denied and permanently banned from the U.K. due to a criminal conviction on his record from 1992, long before I met him. When people heard his visa had been denied they were shocked because in the U.K. there is a perception that anyone can just walk into the country and that "we let anyone and everyone in". I pointed out that if it's so easy to get into the U.K. legally why do people risk death in little boats in the Mediterranean or by clinging to the axle of a truck going through the tunnel from France to England to try and get into the country. Why would they do that if they could "just walk in"?  Exactly my point! You pretty much took the words out of my mouth in regards to immigration in most developed countries. If it was in fact so easy-peasy, than people would not risk their lives, the lives of their loved ones, if they could actually walk in. 

I'm so glad you are with your husband now. I couldn't imagine how hard that must have been, having to leave him after only 3 days of being married. When I visited my family last year and re-established domicile, I hated that my husband was unable to come with me, it was the longest time I had ever been from him. I felt like we were dating all over again with our constant txt's and video chats everyday; it brought back so many memories of the life we had prior to getting married and living together.   

 

 

[Leo7777 243]

12 minutes ago, Marco&Bettina said:

You think I started thinking like this because of Trump? I've thought like this since Bush.

You avoided my question.  Do you really think there has been a continuity of thought regarding your premise through all of these different administrations who have completely different ideas about everything else imaginable ??

 

One can really get caught up in conspiracy theories . . . believe in programs to control our minds, believe that aliens have landed and taken people, believe that we didn't really land on the moon . . . the list goes on and on.  These things can screw up a person's entire life and hinder just . . . getting on with life.

[yuna628 9,689]

2 hours ago, Ahmed & Amy said:

I've seen nationalities that are not from ME countries. Ukraine, UK, and Germany.

 

The slowdown I can understand and they've said that they received tons of mail at the end of the year. But it still doesn't explain some of the very lengthy wait times that some have endured that are not related to ME countries, or being check-listed. 

There's other factors that could be involved, for instance were those persons dual nationals from a middle eastern country even though they currently reside in a European nation?  CSC is the only center handling K1 cases, and they were bound to slow down a little. But compared to how it used to be? Goodness they are still working at lightspeed. The NVC on the other hand is a whole other ballgame. They had already announced a slowdown long ago - and they were always ridiculously slow with spousal cases compared to K1s - but even K1s slowed a little (depending on if CSC dragged their feet getting cases to them - which sometimes was a problem).

2 hours ago, JFH said:

I'm surprised the U.K. didn't make it into Trump's list (which was also Obama's list). I can think of three British people who have attempted to kill or have succeeded in killing Americans since 9/11. Richard Reid (shoe-bomber) who attempted to blow up an American Airlines plane over the Atlantic with explosives in his shoes. "Jihadi John" - the British man who was shown on ISIS videos beheading American (and other western) hostages. The young man who recently tried to kill Donald Trump in Las Vegas. And let's not forget that the whole "liquid bomb plot" (where individuals planned to board aircraft with explosives disguised as soft drinks) originated in the U.K. British citizens have been responsible for carrying out and planning to carry out some of the worst atrocities against USCs in recent times. But we are still welcomed with open arms. 

Don't be surprised... it's the ''special relationship'' ya know?  Keep in mind any UK citizen who went to one of those 7 nations can't use the VWP anymore effectively, so there is that. I know you're being sarcastic and so am I... it's frustrating how ridiculous this country is sometimes.

Edited February 14, 2017 by yuna628

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1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

There's other factors that could be involved, for instance were those persons dual nationals from a middle eastern country even though they currently reside in a European nation? That's true and a possibility for some, but I do know others who have no ties to the 7 countries that were banned or any ties to ME countries in general, who are now reaching 11 & 12 weeks. CSC is the only center handling K1 cases, and they were bound to slow down a little. But compared to how it used to be? Goodness they are still working at lightspeed. The NVC on the other hand is a whole other ballgame. They had already announced a slowdown long ago - and they were always ridiculously slow with spousal cases compared to K1s - but even K1s slowed a little (depending on if CSC dragged their feet getting cases to them - which sometimes was a problem). Yeah I understand that K1's process so much faster than CR-1/IR-1, but I am still shocked with how much it's slowed down over the months. Even when you compare similar cases & national origin this time last year, it still comes out by far much different and cases are taking triple the times to complete (speaking about NVC). I was told that documents could still be in the mail room and that would be since Dec-29. So I don't know.  

Don't be surprised... it's the ''special relationship'' ya know?  Keep in mind any UK citizen who went to one of those 7 nations can't use the VWP anymore effectively, so there is that. I know you're being sarcastic and so am I... it's frustrating how ridiculous this country is sometimes.

 

Edited February 14, 2017 by Ahmed & Amy

[Marco&Bettina 502]

2 hours ago, Leo7777 said:

You avoided my question.  Do you really think there has been a continuity of thought regarding your premise through all of these different administrations who have completely different ideas about everything else imaginable ?? YES

 

One can really get caught up in conspiracy theories . . . believe in programs to control our minds, believe that aliens have landed and taken people, believe that we didn't really land on the moon . . . the list goes on and on.  These things can screw up a person's entire life and hinder just . . . getting on with life. My life is just fine. My beliefs do not bother my wife one bit, nor will they bother my daughter. That is all that truly matters to me.

 

[David&Femke 91]

5 hours ago, JFH said:

Absolutely true! My "surprise" that the U.K. wasn't on the list was sarcastic. If this were really about "war on terror" and protecting the USA then the U.K. would stand no chance of its citizens being able to enter the country. 

 

It's interesting that I am not seen as an immigrant here. The perception seems to be that immigrants are not white and don't speak English fluently. In shops people assume I'm a tourist but the Asian or Mexican person behind me will not be asked how long they are visiting for when the assistant tries to strike up conversation when it's their turn at the register. When I answer the phone at work with my British accent customers assume the call has been routed through to a U.K. office and will always start with "oh I'm calling from the United States and I was wanting to speak with someone in the Seattle office..." but when the lady who sits behind me answers the phone (also arrived here on a spousal visa but is from Mexico) they never assume that the call has been routed to a Mexican office. If I tell callers I'm in the Seattle office, many don't believe me (why would I lie???) but there is never any question whether my Mexican co-worker is in our office. 

 

It seems to be beyond their comprehension here that immigrants come from developed, English-speaking countries too. I guess the same applies to the U.K. in that "immigrant" has adopted a very negative connotation and is used almost as a synonym for "unwelcome visitor", "job stealer" and even "illegal". I remember telling a co-worker in the U.K. before I left that I was leaving to move to my husband in the USA and what a long process it was. She asked if that meant I was getting an American passport. I told her that I would have an immigrant visa. Immediately the word "immigrant" set off alarm bells with her and she asked if it meant I would be living in a tent waiting for them to decide where to put me, like the camps in northern France. 

I travel to america on my tourist visa regularlly, and we started lloking in to the K1 visa and greencard last time i was there and we had it on our white board * look in to green card, and a nagbour walks in and says to my fiance " greencard? i thought that was just for mexicans"

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5 hours ago, David&Femke said:

I travel to america on my tourist visa regularlly, and we started lloking in to the K1 visa and greencard last time i was there and we had it on our white board * look in to green card, and a nagbour walks in and says to my fiance " greencard? i thought that was just for mexicans"

Yeah, a lot of people think that, even in the US. You would think that Americans would understand what a green card is and that's for all nationalities not just Latinos  

Edited February 15, 2017 by Ahmed & Amy

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

13 minutes ago, Ahmed & Amy said:

Yeah, a lot of people think that, even in the US. You would think that Americans would understand what a green card is and that's for all nationalities not just Latinos  

Ignorance is bliss they say here.

[David&Femke 91]

4 hours ago, Ahmed & Amy said:

Yeah, a lot of people think that, even in the US. You would think that Americans would understand what a green card is and that's for all nationalities not just Latinos  

 

And like that i think there are a lot of misconseptions about immegrants. This is a really good guy im talking about, but uneducated and wrongly informed on a lot of immegration conceps. I think/hope this is true for a lot of poeple that stand behind Trump and Bannon there polecies, there mostly not extreem and racist, but dont really know what there talking about.

[Marco&Bettina 502]

8 hours ago, Ahmed & Amy said:

Yeah, a lot of people think that, even in the US. You would think that Americans would understand what a green card is and that's for all nationalities not just Latinos  

Most Americans never need to know anything about immigration. I had my own misconceptions about the whole thing until it was time I learn how it works. Same is how life goes. Most people don't learn about random topics until they need to.

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[Transborderwife 4,666]

I'm wondering what card Trump has up his sleeve with DACA: http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3960133/2389638

 

he once called it unconstitutional and now seemed to be leaning towards liking it.

[FloridaMinsk 88]

6 minutes ago, Transborderwife said:

I'm wondering what card Trump has up his sleeve with DACA: http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3960133/2389638

 

he once called it unconstitutional and now seemed to be leaning towards liking it.

 

Yeah this is an interesting development.   I had hoped he would torpedo this thing.    But he seems to be slow playing.    After the press conference today it seems there will be a modified DACA coming.     How it's constructed..... who knows.   

 

Your right it it will be interesting to see what happens.