Trump's future immigration policies- speculation MEGATHREAD

[Leo7777 243]

7 minutes ago, Marco&Bettina said:

If we wanna be real about the topic, I'll chime in here that my wife has what would be considered post-secondary education in Germany (useless in America). So for all intents and purposes, she has a high school diploma. Mind you if anyone actually asked for proof, she wouldn't have it because she doesn't have an American GED. So technically, you could say she's completely uneducated, which is sad because that's so untrue. I have an Associates of Applied Science Degree. My wife, who has only been in this country 2 years, makes more money than I have ever made in America and I'm 37 years old. How's that for instant ability to contribute?

Marco, you have made some illogical and contradictory statements here.

 

You said 'useless in America' and 'makes more money in America than me.'  So surely not useless.

 

You said 'technically completely uneducated,' when no one would draw that conclusion just because of lack of paperwork.

 

And, if she really wants, she can get her German high school records translated and correlated to USA diploma.  Plus, if she really wants, she can take the GED exams.

 

But I would send her to college and eventually get MD degree so that she can support you in the manner to which you would like to become accustomed.  :-)

Edited February 13, 2017 by Leo7777

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Just now, Leo7777 said:

Marco, you have made some illogical and contradictory statements here.

 

You said 'useless in America' and 'makes more money in America than me.'  So surely not useless.

 

You said 'technically completely uneducated,' when no one would draw that conclusion just because of lack of paperwork.

I see where you're coming from, however with immigration trends, his wife would be seen as undesirable to immigrate in the work category.  Basically seen as unable to contribute.  

[Marco&Bettina 502]

2 minutes ago, Leo7777 said:

Marco, you have made some illogical and contradictory statements here.

 

You said 'useless in America' and 'makes more money in America than me.'  So surely not useless.

 

You said 'technically completely uneducated,' when no one would draw that conclusion just because of lack of paperwork.

Not useless to me obviously. Her job and her education are not in the same fields. Her field was in the hotel industry, which you don't need education here unless you plan to manage the hotel, where a simple management degree would suffice. And yes, her current company or any company in America who asks for a copy of her high school diploma would not hire her because she doesn't have one. Trust me. I've been asked for mine before. Luckily, I have one. I see no contradictions.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Just now, Marco&Bettina said:

Not useless to me obviously. Her job and her education are not in the same fields. Her field was in the hotel industry, which you don't need education here unless you plan to manage the hotel, where a simple management degree would suffice. And yes, her current company or any company in America who asks for a copy of her high school diploma would not hire her because she doesn't have one. Trust me. I've been asked for mine before. Luckily, I have one. I see no contradictions.

They asked for a copy?  Wow!  I hadn't heard of that.  The only time that I've seen that is if there's further educational programs offered 

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11 minutes ago, Transborderwife said:

Education does not always equal ability to contribute.  Yes, it indeed helps but unfortunately the western world doesn't see it that way.

 

in my last marriage I didn't have a high school diploma (education came later) and I had to find jobs that would hire me to keep our family afloat.  I got into bookkeeping and AR/AP because in an interview I showed a knack for numbers and organization.  It led to a string of other jobs eventually until I could get the education.  It paid well and somebody was willing to take a chance and teach.

 

I work in real estate and there are loads of immigrants who work in my industry.   They range from all sorts of education levels from a foreign country.   You can get licensed in my state fairly quickly although the test is pretty tough.   

 

Besides No one needs a degree for entrepreneur.    Education level is irrelevant in some aspects.   

[Transborderwife 4,666]

7 minutes ago, FloridaMinsk said:

 

I work in real estate and there are loads of immigrants who work in my industry.   They range from all sorts of education levels from a foreign country.   You can get licensed in my state fairly quickly although the test is pretty tough.   

 

Besides No one needs a degree for entrepreneur.    Education level is irrelevant in some aspects.   

I meant she could never get a work visa

[Marco&Bettina 502]

Correct. I digress but the point I was trying to make is who's to say whether a particular immigrant can immediately contribute to society or not or wind up being a burden to us all. Only the immigrant really knows. What I know is this country was founded on immigrants who wanted to be here to make a better life for themselves and they felt like they could accomplish that here. Part of that ideology continues to this day. However, yes, now there is this big illegal immigration issue which comprises of both the people I mentioned above and criminals. Agree that something needs to be done about it. And although I'm not a Trump supporter, I applaud his efforts at doing something about it. No longer do we have a lip service president but we actually have an action taker. And yes, parts of that scare me. Reality is, he can stop my wife's immigration process dead in its tracks if he wants to (currently waiting till Sep 1, 2017 to file ROC) but I don't think he will. He has no reason to make too many changes to legal immigration other than to perhaps curtail the numbers some.

[Marco&Bettina 502]

3 minutes ago, Transborderwife said:

I meant she could never get a work visa

You're right. My wife could not have gotten one of those.

 

But under the proposed changes by Trump, there will be a new group of Americans trying to marry foreigners here on Work Visas because their pay is about to be insane.

Edited February 13, 2017 by Marco&Bettina

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

15 minutes ago, Leo7777 said:

It is rare that anyone is asked to produce a diploma . . . because diploma's can literally be 'produced.'

 

What all schools and most companies want to see (if anything) is a transcript of your High School and/or University curriculum; and this must be sent directly from the school.

 

I've actually had to produce my high school diploma years into college when I was transferring schools after I already had enough credits for a degree.  No one ever asked for my transcript and thank goodness because they probably would have wondered how the heck I got into college in the first place.  My husband, likewise, has had to produce his GED diploma (or HS if he had) to do his technical training and I believe for one of his plumbing licenses.  When he came to America, he had only completed the 10th grade.  He found employment right away that no one else wanted to do because they were "too good for manual labor" (so he certainly wasn't taking jobs) and then went into the trades.

 

I'm not actually a huge fan of letting in specifically more educated immigrants from other countries for a variety of reasons.  We have enough people in this country, we just have to sort out our domestic education system and do things like open more medical schools, provide more incentives for pursuing technical fields, etc.   I'm sure that when I actually finish my math degree, my husband will be earning more than me as a plumber anyway.   He is also a really active part of our community and volunteers, etc.  He is probably way more useful than I, the native American, am.

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[Marco&Bettina 502]

3 minutes ago, N-o-l-a said:

 

I've actually had to produce my high school diploma years into college when I was transferring schools after I already had enough credits for a degree.  No one ever asked for my transcript and thank goodness because they probably would have wondered how the heck I got into college in the first place.  My husband, likewise, has had to produce his GED diploma (or HS if he had) to do his technical training and I believe for one of his plumbing licenses.  When he came to America, he had only completed the 10th grade.  He found employment right away that no one else wanted to do because they were "too good for manual labor" (so he certainly wasn't taking jobs) and then went into the trades.

 

I'm not actually a huge fan of letting in specifically more educated immigrants from other countries for a variety of reasons.  We have enough people in this country, we just have to sort out our domestic education system and do things like open more medical schools, provide more incentives for pursuing technical fields, etc.   I'm sure that when I actually finish my math degree, my husband will be earning more than me as a plumber anyway.   He is also a really active part of our community and volunteers, etc.  He is probably way more useful than I, the native American, am.

Exactly. My wife started at 7-Eleven just to have something to put on a resume and because she was struggling to get hired anywhere. Next she was a nanny, even with no formal training anywhere in that field. Her next gig was in the Tech sector working for Apple. Now she works for another Tech company. All this in 2 years. She has not been asked to provide proof of education. But if she is, we will see if they will accept her German one or an English-translated version. Other than that, she will have to get a GED.

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15 minutes ago, Marco&Bettina said:

Agree that something needs to be done about it. And although I'm not a Trump supporter, I applaud his efforts at doing something about it. No longer do we have a lip service president but we actually have an action taker. And yes, parts of that scare me. Reality is, he can stop my wife's immigration process dead in its tracks if he wants to (currently waiting till Sep 1, 2017 to file ROC) but I don't think he will. He has no reason to make too many changes to legal immigration other than to perhaps curtail the numbers some.

Obama deported more illegal immigrants than the president before him. I highly doubt those deported millions would say he was a lip service president. And Trump is - in regards to third world illegals - not really doing anything yet. Besides, what talk has happened about this is not in regards to the current illegals in the country, but in regards to getting smaller numbers of legals in. Culling the numbers/types of visas handed out. People start talking about immigration and it all gets wrapped up under the same umbrella, but a) keeping the borders safe against terrorists, b) minimizing the number of illegals that cross over/overstay, c) managing the current numbers of illegals and d) managing the current numbers of legal immigrants are all different issues requiring different strategies and policies. It makes no sense to say 'We have too many illegal immigrants at the moment so let's cut the number of visas that we're giving out." One won't fix the other.

 

11 minutes ago, N-o-l-a said:

I'm not actually a huge fan of letting in specifically more educated immigrants from other countries for a variety of reasons.  We have enough people in this country, we just have to sort out our domestic education system and do things like open more medical schools, provide more incentives for pursuing technical fields, etc.

I totally agree with you on those fixes. But it shouldn't deter skilled immigrants from coming in, either. They bring innovation and different points of view and different thought processes that will benefit everyone.

[yuna628 9,689]

36 minutes ago, Marco&Bettina said:

Correct. I digress but the point I was trying to make is who's to say whether a particular immigrant can immediately contribute to society or not or wind up being a burden to us all. Only the immigrant really knows. What I know is this country was founded on immigrants who wanted to be here to make a better life for themselves and they felt like they could accomplish that here. Part of that ideology continues to this day. However, yes, now there is this big illegal immigration issue which comprises of both the people I mentioned above and criminals. Agree that something needs to be done about it. And although I'm not a Trump supporter, I applaud his efforts at doing something about it. No longer do we have a lip service president but we actually have an action taker. And yes, parts of that scare me. Reality is, he can stop my wife's immigration process dead in its tracks if he wants to (currently waiting till Sep 1, 2017 to file ROC) but I don't think he will. He has no reason to make too many changes to legal immigration other than to perhaps curtail the numbers some.

The reality is the Executive Order did in fact stop the immigration process dead in it's tracks for some people (based on the information contained in the Renaud memo before Gen. Kelly scrambled to walk that back), and if it is allowed to stand as written would likely continue to do so. And if this could happen to some immigrants that were here legally just like your wife, it could happen to anyone. I'm beginning to wonder some immigrants think they are in a safe bubble, and that surely he would never think a European would be inherently harmful or to be treated in this way, but I'd ask to seriously consider that the actions against some legal immigrants could very well happen to all legal immigrants no matter where they come from. That concerns me greatly. The GOP was supposed to be about stopping illegal immigration and fixing the legal immigration system  in essence closing loopholes and making it easier and more fair to legal honest immigrants. But that doesn't seem to be the direction we're going...

32 minutes ago, N-o-l-a said:

 

I've actually had to produce my high school diploma years into college when I was transferring schools after I already had enough credits for a degree.  No one ever asked for my transcript and thank goodness because they probably would have wondered how the heck I got into college in the first place.  My husband, likewise, has had to produce his GED diploma (or HS if he had) to do his technical training and I believe for one of his plumbing licenses.  When he came to America, he had only completed the 10th grade.  He found employment right away that no one else wanted to do because they were "too good for manual labor" (so he certainly wasn't taking jobs) and then went into the trades.

 

I'm not actually a huge fan of letting in specifically more educated immigrants from other countries for a variety of reasons.  We have enough people in this country, we just have to sort out our domestic education system and do things like open more medical schools, provide more incentives for pursuing technical fields, etc.   I'm sure that when I actually finish my math degree, my husband will be earning more than me as a plumber anyway.   He is also a really active part of our community and volunteers, etc.  He is probably way more useful than I, the native American, am.

My husband has never been asked to produce his diploma or university degree. They took him on his word and were more interested in his skills and previous experience with an American based company than anything else. He is the most educated person in the office, where a lot of his American coworkers are just starting to work on certificates and low level degrees. They ask him for tutoring advice even. :/  I don't mind allowing in very educated immigrants or even not so much educated immigrants - so long a they are willing to contribute to this country and employers are willing to fairly hire them. I find it hard for an immigrant to roll into an American job straight away, without having to work a lower level job first to gain experience. It just doesn't seem like a lot of employers want to take a chance on someone with good experience but no 'American' experience. If a person has a high level degree, but no employer wants to hire them because they don't have 'McD's' on their work experience.. it seems kind of odd to me. I'm glad his employers were willing to give him a chance, but most of his coworkers feel like his job is beneath his skill. One even urged him to apply for a higher level position a couple days ago.

[Marco&Bettina 502]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

The reality is the Executive Order did in fact stop the immigration process dead in it's tracks for some people (based on the information contained in the Renaud memo before Gen. Kelly scrambled to walk that back), and if it is allowed to stand as written would likely continue to do so. And if this could happen to some immigrants that were here legally just like your wife, it could happen to anyone. I'm beginning to wonder some immigrants think they are in a safe bubble, and that surely he would never think a European would be inherently harmful or to be treated in this way, but I'd ask to seriously consider that the actions against some legal immigrants could very well happen to all legal immigrants no matter where they come from. That concerns me greatly. The GOP was supposed to be about stopping illegal immigration and fixing the legal immigration system  in essence closing loopholes and making it easier and more fair to legal honest immigrants. But that doesn't seem to be the direction we're going...

My husband has never been asked to produce his diploma or university degree. They took him on his word and were more interested in his skills and previous experience with an American based company than anything else. He is the most educated person in the office, where a lot of his American coworkers are just starting to work on certificates and low level degrees. They ask him for tutoring advice even. :/  I don't mind allowing in very educated immigrants or even not so much educated immigrants - so long a they are willing to contribute to this country and employers are willing to fairly hire them. I find it hard for an immigrant to roll into an American job straight away, without having to work a lower level job first to gain experience. It just doesn't seem like a lot of employers want to take a chance on someone with good experience but no 'American' experience. If a person has a high level degree, but no employer wants to hire them because they don't have 'McD's' on their work experience.. it seems kind of odd to me. I'm glad his employers were willing to give him a chance, but most of his coworkers feel like his job is beneath his skill. One even urged him to apply for a higher level position a couple days ago.

I should've clarified. I don't think he will do it from certain countries. I believe more countries will be added to the list but I don't think Germany will be one of them. That said, a possibility exists. Anything is on the table.

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