Trump's future immigration policies- speculation MEGATHREAD

[David&Femke 91]

On 2-2-2017 at 4:48 AM, Delirium said:

I utterly despise Trump as a person and disagree with 99% of all that he's done, but this is somewhat reasonable. As USC's, we do sign up to financially support our loved ones; it makes sense for the Affidavit of Support to be enforced. 

I agree that they should have the full right to enforce the afterdavitt of support, that is what you sighn for,  but that should not give the right to deport immegrants who recieve benifits, you only recieve income compencation if your income is not sufficiant to get food for your children. so the people who are getting this are also not getting sufficiant suport from there spocer anymore ( that person can also lose there job). but both the supporter and the immegrant pay taxes over there income. when you pay taxes you should have the right to recieve the benefits when you need them. specially when we talk about icome suport where an immegrant is working but not beeing payed enough. and therefor needing help. They should make a point of regulating salerys so immegrants cant be higherd for a third of the salery of a US citezen. Then employers have no alterier motive to higer a immegrant over a citezen , so most qualified gets the job, if an immegrant is still taking your job then that just means you need to do better in school, immegrants who work wont need benefits, they will earn more so there will be more tax mony,, for the people who really cant work and should get benefits regardless if there immegrant or not.

They need to persecute anyone taking advantage off bennefits, citezens and immegrants alike.
And more severely punish employers for higering illigal alliens, or underpaying legal immegrants.

When an immegrant has to obide the same laws, he should also be protected by the same laws, It is not right to say an immegrant can move here as long as we can only benefit from them, they will pay taxes to take care off US citezens, but there bad poeple and the downfall if they also want support from our sociaty in return.,

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5 minutes ago, David&Femke said:

I agree that they should have the full right to enforce the afterdavitt of support, that is what you sighn for,  but that should not give the right to deport immegrants who recieve benifits, you only recieve income compencation if your income is not sufficiant to get food for your children. so the people who are getting this are also not getting sufficiant suport from there spocer anymore ( that person can also lose there job). but both the supporter and the immegrant pay taxes over there income. when you pay taxes you should have the right to recieve the benefits when you need them. specially when we talk about icome suport where an immegrant is working but not beeing payed enough. and therefor needing help. They should make a point of regulating salerys so immegrants cant be higherd for a third of the salery of a US citezen. Then employers have no alterier motive to higer a immegrant over a citezen , so most qualified gets the job, if an immegrant is still taking your job then that just means you need to do better in school, immegrants who work wont need benefits, they will earn more so there will be more tax mony,, for the people who really cant work and should get benefits regardless if there immegrant or not.

They need to persecute anyone taking advantage off bennefits, citezens and immegrants alike.
And more severely punish employers for higering illigal alliens, or underpaying legal immegrants.

When an immegrant has to obide the same laws, he should also be protected by the same laws, It is not right to say an immegrant can move here as long as we can only benefit from them, they will pay taxes to take care off US citezens, but there bad poeple and the downfall if they also want support from our sociaty in return.,

I agree with this greatly.  I live in Florida where the job market absolutely sucks.  I've seen people with phds driving Uber because they can't find a job.  My husband, a mechanic had to take a job at a beach convenience store just to get us by for a few months because that's all that he could find full time.  

 

People say McDonald's is always hiring, it's so condescending.  As a former Mcd's manager I'd take a job as crew there if I had to, but they don't 'hire down' and if they don't need a manager I'd be out of luck.  

 

When I was working at a gentlemans club as extra help, the bartender was a former dancer.  She couldn't find another job outside the industry and business got terrible after the election.

 

i can definitely see why certain benefits are necessary to keep people alive.  

[Dutchster 1,107]

Oh god, I hate the "McDonald's is always hiring, don't be picky!" sentences coming out of ignorant people mouths. No, they are not. I used to work for MickeyD's, they are nowhere always hiring. They do sometimes, like regular places do.

I agree wholeheartedly with what Femke said, especially the last sentences. " When an immigrant has to obey the same laws, s/he should also be protected by the same laws." .. so who's going to write Trump?!

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

3 minutes ago, Dutchster said:

Oh god, I hate the "McDonald's is always hiring, don't be picky!" sentences coming out of ignorant people mouths. No, they are not. I used to work for MickeyD's, they are nowhere always hiring. They do sometimes, like regular places do.
 

The fast food places near me are always hiring.  Always.

 

I did it for a summer when I was 18, the pay was good, but it was not a good working environment at all.

[N-o-l-a 7,168]

58 minutes ago, David&Femke said:

I agree that they should have the full right to enforce the afterdavitt of support, that is what you sighn for,  but that should not give the right to deport immegrants who recieve benifits, you only recieve income compencation if your income is not sufficiant to get food for your children. so the people who are getting this are also not getting sufficiant suport from there spocer anymore ( that person can also lose there job). but both the supporter and the immegrant pay taxes over there income. when you pay taxes you should have the right to recieve the benefits when you need them. specially when we talk about icome suport where an immegrant is working but not beeing payed enough. and therefor needing help. They should make a point of regulating salerys so immegrants cant be higherd for a third of the salery of a US citezen. Then employers have no alterier motive to higer a immegrant over a citezen , so most qualified gets the job, if an immegrant is still taking your job then that just means you need to do better in school, immegrants who work wont need benefits, they will earn more so there will be more tax mony,, for the people who really cant work and should get benefits regardless if there immegrant or not.

They need to persecute anyone taking advantage off bennefits, citezens and immegrants alike.
And more severely punish employers for higering illigal alliens, or underpaying legal immegrants.

When an immegrant has to obide the same laws, he should also be protected by the same laws, It is not right to say an immegrant can move here as long as we can only benefit from them, they will pay taxes to take care off US citezens, but there bad poeple and the downfall if they also want support from our sociaty in return.,

 

I think the point should be made that people who come on work visas should not be allowed to be hired for less than someone in the country as a LPR or citizen, that I have no problem with.  I'd even argue that it should be double or triple what would be paid to a current LPR or citizen.

 

However, I don't have a huge problem with some LPRs being paid less than citizens for a couple of reasons - one has to do with education and English fluency.  My husband, for example, gets paid exactly what his coworkers get paid because there is no difference between him and a native born American at the moment.  A recent immigrant from Somalia for another example, might get paid less because their fluency and comfort in negotiating American regulations is less.

 

The issue with raising wages by regulation is two-fold, one is that employers will hire less workers unless they increase the cost of goods and services, and two that with the increasing costs of goods, services, housing etc.  that wage increase is negated.  People always share this article on facebook about how Danish fast food workers get paid a lot more than American ones, but they don't account for the fact that that Danish worker loses a lot more of the pay to tax and that their cost of living is higher.  Right now in America, my husband's wage after tax is exactly what it would be in Denmark, but our cost of living is a lot lower.  We are infinitely better off here with lower wages.  

Edited February 6, 2017 by N-o-l-a

[Dutchster 1,107]

I live quite rural actually, I never see a lot of hiring signs unless I go more to cities like Nashville and area. Worked for MickeyD's for a little when I was 23, pay was horrible but it covered my bills at least for that time. I wouldn't be picky either now here, whatever keeps my lazy ### from sitting on the computer all day.

[Delirium 114]

3 hours ago, David&Femke said:

I agree that they should have the full right to enforce the afterdavitt of support, that is what you sighn for,  but that should not give the right to deport immegrants who recieve benifits, you only recieve income compencation if your income is not sufficiant to get food for your children. so the people who are getting this are also not getting sufficiant suport from there spocer anymore ( that person can also lose there job). but both the supporter and the immegrant pay taxes over there income. when you pay taxes you should have the right to recieve the benefits when you need them. specially when we talk about icome suport where an immegrant is working but not beeing payed enough. and therefor needing help. They should make a point of regulating salerys so immegrants cant be higherd for a third of the salery of a US citezen. Then employers have no alterier motive to higer a immegrant over a citezen , so most qualified gets the job, if an immegrant is still taking your job then that just means you need to do better in school, immegrants who work wont need benefits, they will earn more so there will be more tax mony,, for the people who really cant work and should get benefits regardless if there immegrant or not.

They need to persecute anyone taking advantage off bennefits, citezens and immegrants alike.
And more severely punish employers for higering illigal alliens, or underpaying legal immegrants.

When an immegrant has to obide the same laws, he should also be protected by the same laws, It is not right to say an immegrant can move here as long as we can only benefit from them, they will pay taxes to take care off US citezens, but there bad poeple and the downfall if they also want support from our sociaty in return.,

Excellent points! I completely agree with what you said about LPR's paying taxes on their income and how they deserve the same benefits because of it. I also agree with what you on how citizens and legal immigrants should be charged if they're found abusing the system. 

 

[David&Femke 91]

9 minutes ago, N-o-l-a said:

 

Don't worry, it just gets a little tiring sometimes listening to immigrants complaining about America or trying to change it to be like their country.  This isn't a you in particular issue, but something that I've heard a lot of over the years on visajourney.  I sometimes forget that people like you might not have a choice in where you live because of a military spouse or whatever.  We had a choice, well a lot of choices actually, so we picked the country that we both agreed on was best.  For the record, I wanted a different Scandinavian country, but my husband can't abide the Swedes silly Dane that he is.

lol, I really love it in Amerika and personally i would have preferred to stay in the netherlands, but alll together this was for us the best option, Davids work but also Dutch emegration laws are ecctually strickter then the american once :-(

to be a legal immegrant in the netherlads ( we have a lot of illegal immegrants to ) you need to speak Dutch, the peron petitioning for you needs to have a full time indefenate contract ( like 10 year contract in america) and you need to have a 32.000 euro balance on your bank and credit cards. only exception is for americans wanting to move to the netherlands if you own your own company that you can run in or bring to the Netherlands

Edited February 6, 2017 by David&Femke

[David&Femke 91]

To make the post slightly more Trump and current administration related again I like to trow this contraversial piece speculation in the mix.

I personally don’t know what the intentions of Trump are, and I think that whether or not, or how to regulate immigration will always be a discussion with two sides.
I believe that more suble changes that have been made by current administration addresses a problem that almost every European and American will agree on is bad.
Is that the principal of TriasPolitica (division of power) is being threatened, and this is the foundation of every democracy and the very principal that defines the difference between democracy and dictatorship.

TriasPolitica states that the legislating, executive, and a judiciary power in a democracy should be independent from each other, so that these 3 parts of the government can address and correct each other when the law and above all in America the constitution is been violated by another part of government, and controles that one group or person, can never be a singular ruler above all others.

The Legislating power is and should be Trump, as he is president.

The executive power , Two big components here the chairman of the joint chiefs off staff (spokesman of the military forces) and the Director of National intelligence are now kept out of the loop by, excluding them from the council, when they spoke there expert opinion on how the law should be executed, they were replaced by bannon, who was picked by the legislating power.

The judiciary power, one of the important people in the judiciary power is the attorney of state, who when she spoke for the law and the constitution, and how these should be judged, as the expert in this field, was replaced, by an attorney of state who was picked by the legislating power.

I believe that completely separated if you as a person do or don’t agree with the plans that Trump has for the US. That the fall or even weakening of the democratic foundation of America is un-American.

And his amount of power in all components of the TriasPolitica is at least a sign that all Americans need to stay critical of there government, to make sure that there constitutional rights are not being taken, violated or abused.

 

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[FloridaMinsk 88]

1 hour ago, David&Femke said:

To make the post slightly more Trump and current administration related again I like to trow this contraversial piece speculation in the mix.

I personally don’t know what the intentions of Trump are, and I think that whether or not, or how to regulate immigration will always be a discussion with two sides.
I believe that more suble changes that have been made by current administration addresses a problem that almost every European and American will agree on is bad.
Is that the principal of TriasPolitica (division of power) is being threatened, and this is the foundation of every democracy and the very principal that defines the difference between democracy and dictatorship.

TriasPolitica states that the legislating, executive, and a judiciary power in a democracy should be independent from each other, so that these 3 parts of the government can address and correct each other when the law and above all in America the constitution is been violated by another part of government, and controles that one group or person, can never be a singular ruler above all others.

The Legislating power is and should be Trump, as he is president.

The executive power , Two big components here the chairman of the joint chiefs off staff (spokesman of the military forces) and the Director of National intelligence are now kept out of the loop by, excluding them from the council, when they spoke there expert opinion on how the law should be executed, they were replaced by bannon, who was picked by the legislating power.

The judiciary power, one of the important people in the judiciary power is the attorney of state, who when she spoke for the law and the constitution, and how these should be judged, as the expert in this field, was replaced, by an attorney of state who was picked by the legislating power.

I believe that completely separated if you as a person do or don’t agree with the plans that Trump has for the US. That the fall or even weakening of the democratic foundation of America is un-American.

And his amount of power in all components of the TriasPolitica is at least a sign that all Americans need to stay critical of there government, to make sure that there constitutional rights are not being taken, violated or abused.

 

 

On Trump's intentions:   

 

I believe eve he is striving for a new standard for immigration.  Similar to what the aussies have accomplished.    He and his administration is very close with Nigel Farage and that's also his and UKIP's position on immigration.   

 

They will be against any agreements with blocs and will do agreements in a bilateral basis.     I have been looking into Ted Malloch lately and he will be Trump's EU envoy and this has been how he has described the way Trump and the administration will go about business.  

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/immigration-trump-senate-cotton-234706

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46 minutes ago, Tastyjamz said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/immigration-trump-senate-cotton-234706

Urrrgh, sad to see that, as we'd love to have husband's family join us sometime down the road, esp as his parents age...