Left Cries Foul Over Christian School’s Right To Vouchers

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

non religious education is now progressive? i'll take it.

 

the pc garbage being taught in public school is. but, you knew that already

[CaliCat 3,957]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

non religious education is now progressive? i'll take it.

 

 

To be fair, science and facts are considered progressive, as they should. But there are people who prefer a more alternate fact presentation of the truth taught to their children.

 

For them, ignorance is strength, and education presents a hurdle to their prejudices, bias, and other misconceptions of the world.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2017 by CaliCat

[smilesammich 10,727]

16 minutes ago, -relo- said:

the pc garbage being taught in public school is. but, you knew that already

i don't live in a progressive area, so mainly i just have to worry with keeping religious nonsense out of my kid's public education/school.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

42 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

 

If good people want to their children taught properly, the last place they'll send their kids is to a religious school. LOL.

 

Actually there many religious schools that are actually really good, and people from other religions attend them because their good. 

 

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/growing.number.of.muslim.children.being.sent.to.catholic.schools/102616.htm

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-38157812

[CaliCat 3,957]

21 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Actually there many religious schools that are actually really good, and people from other religions attend them because their good. 

 

 

 

And they should be free to do so, if they wish. I don't think anyone is debating that. We're debating whether taxpayer money should fund religious institutions, as it seems to violate the establishment clause.

 

When you look into the real crux of the matter, this is what you find. The issue is whether taxpayers fund money should fund this type of violation of civil rights.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-indiana-christian-school-lgbt-20170619-story.html

 

The Lighthouse Christian Academy promises to provide an exemplary education, a caring atmosphere and service to God — but not for everyone. The school says in its admissions brochure that it reserves the right to deny admission to LGBT students because their lifestyle is prohibited by the Bible.

As the Trump administration seeks to expand school choice nationwide, the academy was thrust into the national spotlight last month as part of a heated debate over whether schools that receive money from taxpayer-funded vouchers can discriminate against certain groups of students, such as LGBT children or students with disabilities.

Lighthouse officials say they've never turned anyone away based on sexual orientation. But at a congressional hearing, Senate Democrats cited it as an example of a school that discriminates against LGBT students. A Lighthouse brochure says the Bible does not allow homosexual, bisexual or "any form of sexual immorality" and if a student's "home life" violates biblical rules, the school can deny them admission or expel them.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2017 by CaliCat

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1 hour ago, CaliCat said:

 

Right on. The picture is a call to remind us all of the pedophiles in the christian church who hate their own religion.

 

I am not sure that the model in the photo actually hated something or someone though. 

I don't think the Christian schools have the lock on pedophile teachers.

[Dashinka 24,437]

1 hour ago, CaliCat said:

 

To be fair, science and facts are considered progressive, as they should. But there are people who prefer a more alternate fact presentation of the truth taught to their children.

 

For them, ignorance is strength, and education presents a hurdle to their prejudices, bias, and other misconceptions of the world.

 

 

 

 

So public schools only gives facts?  If we could get the politics out of public education, then fine, but unfortunately that is not the case.

[CaliCat 3,957]

9 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So public schools only gives facts?  If we could get the politics out of public education, then fine, but unfortunately that is not the case.

 

We can start with religion, and I am sure politics should follow.

[yuna628 9,665]

1 hour ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Actually there many religious schools that are actually really good, and people from other religions attend them because their good. 

 

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/growing.number.of.muslim.children.being.sent.to.catholic.schools/102616.htm

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-38157812

Indeed that is true. However there are many that would like a good education for their children but free of religious stuff. Furthermore there are plenty of Christians that would object to sending their children to a Catholic school and many other denominations that would have big objections to sending their child somewhere that doesn't jive with their faith. I think there would also be some Christians who would object to sending their kids to some of the charter schools across the nation if they actually studied who was behind running them too.

 

I would actually encourage those in this thread to read this pretty lengthy article on the voucher subject. In particular it details some of the pitfalls behind the idea, including the vast amount of money that may not be used especially wisely, and the right for those institutions to discriminate towards those they consider undesired - this includes the disabled.

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2017/05/12/520111511/the-promise-and-peril-of-school-vouchers I find the article to be straightforward and fair, and I could also produce conservative and libertarian links objecting to voucher programs too.

Edited June 20, 2017 by yuna628

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39 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So public schools only gives facts?  If we could get the politics out of public education, then fine, but unfortunately that is not the case.

Public schools should only be giving 'facts' that are science and reality based - because government funds cannot be used or seen to favor or promote one religion over another. We are not a church-state. If a parent feels there are other facts a child should be learning, it should be upon them to either teach it, send them to a religious education school they feel offers better 'facts'. What is Sunday school and 'Christ Camp' for these days? Glorified babysitter? It was always strange to me why parents neither want to take any responsibility in their child's upbringing or education but then complain when their child comes home to challenge them on the things they've learned... or furthermore think that their children have no idea how to decide for themselves when presented with both ways of thinking on a subject.

 

My fundamentalist schooling was big into YEC even though my family were OEC (some Christians are also OECs that believe evolution coexists with a Creator). Instead of the textbooks explaining factual reasons behind why they thought YEC was the truth, they spent most of the time arguing why OECs were wrong, and why evolutionists were evil (neither providing science or proof of it either way). Just pages and pages of ''this is wrong, but we can't tell you why, now shut up about it!'' This left any learning of science based subjects extremely deficient, and required me spending a lot of my time searching out alternative sources of education on my own time to fill in 'gaps'. Meanwhile I didn't believe any of the YEC stuff, nor did I feel after years and years of reading such religious-science material that I was learning anything factual - but that didn't matter because if you did not write verbatim what they wanted you to say (on a variety of subjects) you were not passing - period.

Edited June 20, 2017 by yuna628

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1 hour ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Actually there many religious schools that are actually really good, and people from other religions attend them because their good. 

 

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/growing.number.of.muslim.children.being.sent.to.catholic.schools/102616.htm

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-38157812

Yeah we got a Catholic school here, that has a long waiting list

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Vouchers are a great idea. Our public school do a terrible job of providing for an education for the money spent per student.   A family member of mine use to be the chair of the education committee  in the state house. it cost more in GA to keep a kind in Public school than it cost to send them to many of the top private schools. Its time we start making common sense decisions.  why should a bright inner city poor kid be locked into some under performing gang infested school. Lets have true school choice. Not a fan of Govt and religion, but I don't think a religious school  should be excluded, if that's what the parents want. 

[Dashinka 24,437]

41 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

We can start with religion, and I am sure politics should follow.

I doubt one would follow the other.

[Dashinka 24,437]

15 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Public schools should only be giving 'facts' that are science and reality based - because government funds cannot be used or seen to favor or promote one religion over another. We are not a church-state. If a parent feels there are other facts a child should be learning, it should be upon them to either teach it, send them to a religious education school they feel offers better 'facts'. What is Sunday school and 'Christ Camp' for these days? Glorified babysitter? It was always strange to me why parents neither want to take any responsibility in their child's upbringing or education but then complain when their child comes home to challenge them on the things they've learned... or furthermore think that their children have no idea how to decide for themselves when presented with both ways of thinking on a subject.

 

My fundamentalist schooling was big into YEC even though my family were OEC (some Christians are also OECs that believe evolution coexists with a Creator). Instead of the textbooks explaining factual reasons behind why they thought YEC was the truth, they spent most of the time arguing why OECs were wrong, and why evolutionists were evil (neither providing science or proof of it either way). Just pages and pages of ''this is wrong, but we can't tell you why, now shut up about it!'' This left any learning of science based subjects extremely deficient, and required me spending a lot of my time searching out alternative sources of education on my own time to fill in 'gaps'. Meanwhile I didn't believe any of the YEC stuff, nor did I feel after years and years of reading such religious-science material that I was learning anything factual - but that didn't matter because if you did not write verbatim what they wanted you to say (on a variety of subjects) you were not passing - period.

I am not arguing that religion should be infused in public education, but I would like to see politics be removed as well.  This might be easier to do with science or math, but it gets harder to do when dealing with world or US history.  With the social sciences, the facts tend to be in the eyes of the beholder or in this case the people writing the textbooks and curriculum.

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2 hours ago, smilesammich said:

i don't live in a progressive area, so mainly i just have to worry with keeping religious nonsense out of my kid's public education/school.

you moved?