Incident in Finsbury Park, London

[yuna628 9,676]

Once again in London.. a man in a van drove into a group of Muslims who had just exited their mosque. Many casualties reported.

UK media has behaved appallingly in reporting this story, and American coverage seems better.

Based on witness reports it was a man who was screaming about killing Muslims.

People at the scene took it upon themselves to apprehend and restrain the man as they waited for police to arrive (response was apparently slow).

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-idUSKBN19A016

Witness reports at the scene:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeednews/a-car-has-driven-into-pedestrians-in-london-causing-injuries?utm_term=.ytv5gB7N1#.pvKaApRmQ

Other witnesses say they saw three men. Two fled the scene.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/19/north-london-van-incident-finsbury-park-casualties-collides-pedestrians-live-updates

 

Edited June 19, 2017 by yuna628

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

5 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Once again in London.. a man in a van drove into a group of Muslims who had just exited their mosque. Many casualties reported.

Disgusting but I am not surprised that there is reprisals on innocents, unfortunately I believe there will be more.

 

When I commented on the last attack the Irish flag under my name seemed to draw others members out and they were saying that the UK has dealth with terrorism for years. No one mentioned the non catholic terrorist organisations which are somehow seen to be more acceptable. 

 

Does this mean now that it will be seen as acceptable for local groups to form to combat what they perceive to be Isis sympathisers within the Muslim community.? 

[yuna628 9,676]

15 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

Disgusting but I am not surprised that there is reprisals on innocents, unfortunately I believe there will be more.

 

When I commented on the last attack the Irish flag under my name seemed to draw others members out and they were saying that the UK has dealth with terrorism for years. No one mentioned the non catholic terrorist organisations which are somehow seen to be more acceptable. 

 

Does this mean now that it will be seen as acceptable for local groups to form to combat what they perceive to be Isis sympathisers within the Muslim community.? 

Terrorism is not acceptable in any form. The UK has dealt with terrorism for years before Islamic terrorism ever arrived on the scene, that should not be in dispute. Before this incident happened there were several well-known figures in neo-Nazi circles calling for reprisals against innocent Muslims. They are terrorists and no better than jihadi-cultists, and I'm sure the government hasn't been taking them seriously either.

 

 

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According to the UK media, better get used to it.

 

Depressing.

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Wonder where they got the idea from?

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

Once again in London.. a man in a van drove into a group of Muslims who had just exited their mosque. Many casualties reported.

UK media has behaved appallingly in reporting this story, and American coverage seems better.

Based on witness reports it was a man who was screaming about killing Muslims.

People at the scene took it upon themselves to apprehend and restrain the man as they waited for police to arrive (response was apparently slow).

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-idUSKBN19A016

Witness reports at the scene:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeednews/a-car-has-driven-into-pedestrians-in-london-causing-injuries?utm_term=.ytv5gB7N1#.pvKaApRmQ

Other witnesses say they saw three men. Two fled the scene.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2017/jun/19/north-london-van-incident-finsbury-park-casualties-collides-pedestrians-live-updates

 

 

 

 

Somehow there seems to be this idea that it's ok to respond to terrorism with terrorism, or that it somehow absolves the type of terrorism that the UK has dealt with since the 70s.  This quid pro quo is what ISIS has predicated their campaign, on what they perceived was western aggression against the ME. The western atl-right groups are as much terrorists as any other group, and equally they target innocents. It's sad.

 

Our thoughts again go out to the UK tonight, in what seems to be yet another act of terror. 

 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2017 by CaliCat

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Finsbury Park is also known as home to the mosque linked to the radical cleric Abu Hamza

[CaliCat 3,957]

38 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Terrorism is not acceptable in any form. The UK has dealt with terrorism for years before Islamic terrorism ever arrived on the scene, that should not be in dispute. Before this incident happened there were several well-known figures in neo-Nazi circles calling for reprisals against innocent Muslims. They are terrorists and no better than jihadi-cultists, and I'm sure the government hasn't been taking them seriously either.

 

 

 

True. One wrong doesn't justify the other. All terrorists are the same, regardless of their religion. Islamic or Catholic, terrorism is terrorism. all the more because neither religion teaches terror, of if they do, one doesn't teach it more than the other.

 

Edited June 19, 2017 by CaliCat

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

4 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

True. One wrong doesn't justify the other. All terrorists are the same, regardless of their religion. Islamic or Catholic, terrorism is terrorism. all the more because neither religion teaches terror, of if they do, one doesn't teach it more than the other.

 

I don't believe that to be true at all. 

 

If for some reason a United Ireland could have been agreed before 1949 when Ireland got it's full independence then there would have been no trouble with any of the organisation's in the north of the country. Religion was only an excuse because of segregation, Protestants and Catholics live happily side by side in the rest of the country. No one was calling for the destruction of the whole UK. 

 

For radical Muslims there is nothing you could offer Isis or any similar entity that would stop them seeking more. They are about the destruction of the West no matter what it takes to obtain it.

 

Do you honestly believe there is peace to be had with radical Muslims? 

 

 

[CaliCat 3,957]

5 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

I don't believe that to be true at all. 

 

If for some reason a United Ireland could have been agreed before 1949 when Ireland got it's full independence then there would have been no trouble with any of the organisation's in the north of the country. Religion was only an excuse because of segregation, Protestants and Catholics live happily side by side in the rest of the country. No one was calling for the destruction of the whole UK. 

 

For radical Muslims there is nothing you could offer Isis or any similar entity that would stop them seeking more. They are about the destruction of the West no matter what it takes to obtain it.

 

Do you honestly believe there is peace to be had with radical Muslims? 

 

 

 

Terrorism is terrorism. You shouldn't negotiate with them, and that's why London did not negotiate with the IRA.

 

We don't know what could have been - we know what was.

 

Peace with radical Muslims is as likely as peace with the radicals of the IRA. 

 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

Terrorism is terrorism. You shouldn't negotiate with them, and that's why London did not negotiate with the IRA.

 

We don't know what could have been - we know what was.

 

Peace with radical Muslims is as likely as peace with the radicals of the IRA. 

 

London financed terrorism in the North and aided bombings in the south. There was no need for any of it at all. The endgame was always a United Ireland which should have happened before 1949.

 

What's the endgame for radical Muslims? 

[CaliCat 3,957]

The endgame of terror for ISIS is the same it was for the IRA: Terror. 

 

Catholic Radical Terrorists are no better than their Muslim cousins. 

 

I don't think that the best way to further any cause is by killing innocent people. Do you?

Edited June 19, 2017 by CaliCat

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

Just now, CaliCat said:

The endgame of terror for ISIS is the same it was for the IRA: Terror. 

 

Catholic Radical Terrorists were no better than their Muslim cousins. 

Wrong, it was about a United Ireland. The Catholic Protestant divide was created by the British government. Catholics and Protestans have lived side by side for years with no problems in the south. 

 

I don't condone the actions of any of the terrorist groups in the whole country that came about because two governments couldn't or wouldn't find a solution. 

 

Again what do radical Muslims want? 

[CaliCat 3,957]

16 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

Wrong, it was about a United Ireland. The Catholic Protestant divide was created by the British government. Catholics and Protestans have lived side by side for years with no problems in the south. 

 

I don't condone the actions of any of the terrorist groups in the whole country that came about because two governments couldn't or wouldn't find a solution. 

 

Again what do radical Muslims want? 

 

Radical Muslims want the same their Radical Catholic counterparts wanted: inflict terror, pure and simple and for the sake of it. 

 

I don't care what their purported cause is. Terrorism is its own objective. You say the Radical Catholic Terrorists wanted to united Ireland. How did the factor terrorism into the equation that would give them just that? Proof is Ireland is not united today.

 

As for living in peace, there are more Muslims living in peace than doing stupid things, but somehow some people paint them with a broad brush.  You make a good argument when you point out that not all Irish should be judged by the IRA, and it would be equally wrong to judge all Muslims because of some terrorists.

 

I don't think there is one single cause that can be argued where terrorism was not as heinous, even if you can disguise under the ruse that they just wanted to unite their country. I am certain those who lost loved ones to Catholic terror don't feel much better than those who lost them to Muslim, or alt-right, or what have you.  

 

 

Edited June 19, 2017 by CaliCat

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

3 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Radical Muslims want the same their Radical Catholic counterparts wanted: inflict terror, pure and simple and for the sake of it. 

 

I don't care what their purported cause is. Terrorism is its own objective. You say the Radical Catholic Terrorists wanted to united Ireland. How did the factor terrorism into the equation that would give them just that? Proof is Ireland is not united today.

 

As for living in peace, there are more Muslims living in peace than doing stupid things, but somehow some people paint them with a broad brush. 

 

I don't think there is one single cause that can be argued where terrorism was not as heinous, even if you can disguise under the ruse that they just wanted to unite their country. I am certain those who lost loved ones to Catholic terror don't feel much better than those who lost them to Muslim, or alt-right, or what have you.  

 

 

Your a very intelligent person, too intelligent to be saying that the "Proof is Ireland is not United today"  

 

This has nothing to do with terrorism this is a choice the government of Britain made nearly 100 years ago. 

 

I agree terrorism is terrorism no matter what causes it but you will never see that radical Muslims never want peace with you no matter how much you want it. 

 

Radical Muslims want nothing but your death.