GOP Rep. Steve Scalise shot at congressional baseball practice in Virginia [merged threads]

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, Jacque67 said:

Ummm..maybe you shouldn't reveal so much on a public forum... Best wishes.

Sorry, I corrected it. 

[Teddy B 17,252]

7 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

If you read my following answer to that it stated that: "My mind is on other things at moment and I apologize, my crypto currencies are taking a beating this morning". So I will admit I did not read your whole statement but only the first sentence about Nationwide laws. So I apologize if it seemed that I was in favor of this because I am not. I suffer from PTSD brought on by Combat in Afghanistan and Iraq, I will NEVER let someone take away my rights just because I have mild PTSD. Sorry but no. If someone is verifiable loony then go ahead, but you better have a damn good reason to do that. Where here in California just because you are being seen for PTSD the state could take away your firearms. 

I am sorry that you suffer from PTSD, I hope you get the help and care you need.

 

The fact that you do have diagnosed PTSD should allow Dr's to decide whether or not you are stable enough to possess guns. I am as steadfast about my right to live as you are about your right to possess guns. The safety of the general public should always take precedent over one's right to bear arms.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Teddy B

[yuna628 9,744]

For gun owners here: what requirements do you need to obtain a firearm in your state besides background checks and paperwork? Mandatory training, classes, and hours? Yearly mandatory safety certification classes? Initial mental health screening with a professional (not just checking no in boxes)? Drug and alcohol screening? Social media screening? How about for CC? I'm aware some do have requirements, but a lot do not.

 

This individual had prior run-ins with the law including resisting arrest, drunken driving, he lost his job and was barred from being a government contractor for misconduct, one foster child was removed from the couple, and DV just to name a few of the charges. A DV supposedly prevents one from owning a gun, however prosecutors elected to not pursue the case (as what happens so many times it isn't funny). Details of the case were pretty horrible I might add, and concluded with him popping off a shot at someone, choking, ripping hair, and using a knife. And yet we have a history in this country where people just 'slip through the cracks' and all manner of persons can obtain a gun, regardless of if they were a criminal, were involved in a DV, child, or animal abuse case, or had a history of mental illness. Even terrorists have been able to obtain a firearm. Non-citizens can aswell.

 

There are many responsible gun owners, of that I am sure. But there are also many irresponsible gun owners, not limited to and including those who are insane, and dangerous individuals...

 

23 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

That is a non-starter for me sorry. It will never happen because what you think is crazy could be someone's off day, so you will condemn somebody just because they are having a bad day. Also who is to say that the program you suggested would not be rife with corruption? I will give you an example: You may not like me so you file a complaint against basically he said she said just so my firearms could be taken away. How many times have we seen people get arrested just because someone file a fake police report against them?

Maybe this guy was just having a bad day eh? There's a lot of people who have bad days and go on rampages... no one seems to know what makes them snap and no one seems to recognize the obvious signs of ill health. Everyone's always so sorry though.

 

How would you keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unfit, abusers, and terrorists? You have stated you have a condition [I have redacted that condition]. A lot of people do, and lead normal lives. But some people do not. Some people have more severe [], some never seek treatment because they have no idea they have it or have too much pride when otherwise they could be helped... but they can still get a gun and kill someone with it. They answer no to questions about mental health because they are lying or they honestly think they are just fine. But what if they aren't just fine?

You don't want anyone to take your guns. Sure, I get that. So how do we solve the problem? How do we stop nutjobs and terrorists from slaughtering people? How do we stop sudden snappers who go from periods of normal to insane in a matter of days? How do we prevent irresponsible gun owners (the kind that get drunk and pop shots off for fun times or think they know how to handle a gun but really don't)?

Edited June 16, 2017 by yuna628

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, Teddy B said:

I am sorry that you suffer from PTSD, I hope you get the help and care you need.

 

The fact that you do have diagnosed PTSD should allow Dr's to decide whether or not you are stable enough to possess guns. I am as steadfast about my right to live as you are about your right to possess guns.

I was getting the help I needed to push through some stuff I was going through. Honestly right now the biggest help I get is by going to the gym and just pushing through all the ####### if you know what I am talking about. I believe everybody has the right to live no matter what. I just don't know that infringing on someone else's rights is the best way to go about that. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

For gun owners here: what requirements do you need to obtain a firearm in your state besides background checks and paperwork? Mandatory training, classes, and hours? Yearly mandatory safety certification classes? Initial mental health screening with a professional (not just checking no in boxes)? Drug and alcohol screening? Social media screening? How about for CC? I'm aware some do have requirements, but a lot do not.

 

This individual had prior run-ins with the law including resisting arrest, drunken driving, he lost his job and was barred from being a government contractor for misconduct, one foster child was removed from the couple, and DV just to name a few of the charges. A DV supposedly prevents one from owning a gun, however prosecutors elected to not pursue the case (as what happens so many times it isn't funny). Details of the case were pretty horrible I might add, and concluded with him popping off a shot at someone, choking, ripping hair, and using a knife. And yet we have a history in this country where people just 'slip through the cracks' and all manner of persons can obtain a gun, regardless of if they were a criminal, were involved in a DV, child, or animal abuse case, or had a history of mental illness. Even terrorists have been able to obtain a firearm. Non-citizens can aswell.

 

There are many responsible gun owners, of that I am sure. But there are also many irresponsible gun owners, not limited to and including those who are insane, and dangerous individuals...

 

Maybe this guy was just having a bad day eh? There's a lot of people who have bad days and go on rampages... no one seems to know what makes them snap and no one seems to recognize the obvious signs of ill health. Everyone's always so sorry though.

 

How would you keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unfit, abusers, and terrorists? You have stated you have mild PTSD. A lot of people do, and lead normal lives. But some people do not. Some people have more severe PTSD, some never seek treatment because they have no idea they have it or have too much pride when otherwise they could be helped... but they can still get a gun and kill someone with it. They answer no to questions about mental health because they are lying or they honestly think they are just fine. But what if they aren't just fine?

You don't want anyone to take your guns. Sure, I get that. So how do we solve the problem? How do we stop nutjobs and terrorists from slaughtering people? How do we stop sudden snappers who go from periods of normal to insane in a matter of days? How do we prevent irresponsible gun owners (the kind that get drunk and pop shots off for fun times or think they know how to handle a gun but really don't)?

This guy was someone ready to burst and he should have been convicted on something. But sadly he was never convicted and thus still had the right to own a firearm. If you have a DV conviction then you CAN NOT own a firearm. 

[Teddy B 17,252]

3 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I was getting the help I needed to push through some stuff I was going through. Honestly right now the biggest help I get is by going to the gym and just pushing through all the ####### if you know what I am talking about. I believe everybody has the right to live no matter what. I just don't know that infringing on someone else's rights is the best way to go about that. 

That's good you're getting help. I exercise daily so I do understand how a workout can help ease the mind and relieve the stress.

 

I am never a fan of infringing on someone's rights, except when it comes to the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment DOES put your right to own a gun above my right to live and the safety of the general public, that's not acceptable imo..

[Dashinka 24,889]

34 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

Periodic mental health checks for all gun owners. Access to guns is far too easy in this country, we need nationwide laws, not state by state.

So what do you do with people that use a car to kill a lot of people?  Mental exam every year to get a DL?  I understand everyone wants to focus on guns based on the last attack, but unhinged Bernie supporters can chose from a multitude of tools to go on a rampage.  Should this guy have had a gun?  Probably not, but would that have stopped him?  Who knows, he may have found other ways that are just as easy as a gun, but at least the MDL will feel good.

[yuna628 9,744]

2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

This guy was someone ready to burst and he should have been convicted on something. But sadly he was never convicted and thus still had the right to own a firearm. If you have a DV conviction then you CAN NOT own a firearm. 

And yet how is it that convicted DVer's can and have maintained and or obtained firearms... 

Remember he wasn't convicted, even though the charges against him were serious... and we can all agree he seems to be someone that neither belonged having guns or the ability to cc.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/domestic-abuse-guns-boyfriend-loophole/

[Dashinka 24,889]

3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

And yet how is it that convicted DVer's can and have maintained and or obtained firearms... 

Remember he wasn't convicted, even though the charges against him were serious... and we can all agree he seems to be someone that neither belonged having guns or the ability to cc.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/domestic-abuse-guns-boyfriend-loophole/

Illegally.

Edited June 16, 2017 by Bill & Katya

[Teddy B 17,252]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So what do you do with people that use a car to kill a lot of people?  Mental exam every year to get a DL?  I understand everyone wants to focus on guns based on the last attack, but unhinged Bernie supporters can chose from a multitude of tools to go on a rampage.  Should this guy have had a gun?  Probably not, but would that have stopped him?  Who knows, he may have found other ways that are just as easy as a gun, but at least the MDL will feel good.

A car is not a machine that is built for the purpose to kill. The car argument is so silly. I'm not going down this road.

[Dashinka 24,889]

Just now, Teddy B said:

A car is not a machine that is built for the purpose to kill. The car argument is so silly. I'm not going down this road.

Both arguments are silly.  A car is built for transportation, a gun is built for self-defense.  That either item can be turned into an offensive weapon puts them in the same category.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

9 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

That's good you're getting help. I exercise daily so I do understand how a workout can help ease the mind and relieve the stress.

 

I am never a fan of infringing on someone's rights, except when it comes to the 2nd amendment. The 2nd amendment DOES put your right to own a gun above my right to live and the safety of the general public, that's not acceptable imo..

Actually when we were nearing the end of our sessions that the VA would pay for she flat out said that "what I was doing is great and actually helps speed up progress, going to the gym is one of the best stress relievers there is":

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

8 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

And yet how is it that convicted DVer's can and have maintained and or obtained firearms... 

Remember he wasn't convicted, even though the charges against him were serious... and we can all agree he seems to be someone that neither belonged having guns or the ability to cc.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/10/domestic-abuse-guns-boyfriend-loophole/

Because a fair number of states don't go after people like that, some do but most do not. Which is sad because anyone that has been rightfully convicted of a DV offense should not have a firearm. As already noted in the article a number of states ALREADY have laws on the books for that purpose but do not abide by them.So why have more laws that law abiding gun owners have to adhere to when the states are not adhering to the ones already on the books?

Edited June 16, 2017 by cyberfx1024

[Teddy B 17,252]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Both arguments are silly.  A car is built for transportation, a gun is built for self-defense.  That either item can be turned into an offensive weapon puts them in the same category.

A person is not guaranteed the right of driving a car or having a driver's license, either can be taken away for many different things. Not so much with guns that are protected by the constitution. Any item can be turned into a weapon, but none are a fundamental right but guns. What items do you want to argue next, forks, spoons, eggrolls?

[yuna628 9,744]

2 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So what do you do with people that use a car to kill a lot of people?  Mental exam every year to get a DL?  I understand everyone wants to focus on guns based on the last attack, but unhinged Bernie supporters can chose from a multitude of tools to go on a rampage.  Should this guy have had a gun?  Probably not, but would that have stopped him?  Who knows, he may have found other ways that are just as easy as a gun, but at least the MDL will feel good.

Driving a vehicle requires for the most part and depending on the state - extensive training, classes, tests etc. Repeat unsafe pattern of behavior can result in the loss of licenses. I believe there to be a lot of people on the road that shouldn't be driving. I'd be fine with a yearly drug and alcohol test, even road rage screening if possible.

 

As with intelligence and terrorism cases where everybody seems to know something but does nothing - I like proactive reaction, rather than reactive.

 

I look at a car and a gun as a tool. Put into the wrong hands that tool, without training and proper screening - and people wind up dead. 

 

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Illegally.

The link referenced shows these individuals had their guns legally even with convictions. There is no evidence that he obtained his weapons illegally either.