Why did my fiances case got sent back to USCIS after his interview in Kabul?

[Maria1989 403]

21 minutes ago, Maria1989 said:

You need to very precise with a second petition. Address everything that may have been of concern to the officer. To be honest, it is very odd for a mother and a daughter to both file fiance petitions at the same time for two males who know each other. Although they didnt mention it, any prudent officer could have put one and one together.   I know you dont want to "lose a month" by filing the petition when you return by you can not e-sign any document, it has to be original signatures. Next, you really need to make sure you address the reasons why thw K-1 was denied, you really need to talk to him. Further, any other glaring issues, age differences, cultural differences, what does he do for a living? 

 

What does your mom plan to do, I really think that the petitions now are "connected", meaning they know you and your mom are petitioning for men that know each other. If you dont mind me asking how old is your mom, and her fiancé? 

I'm not being negative but, this whole situation just "stinks. 

 

21 minutes ago, Maria1989 said:

You need to very precise with a second petition. Address everything that may have been of concern to the officer. To be honest, it is very odd for a mother and a daughter to both file fiance petitions at the same time for two males who know each other. Although they didnt mention it, any prudent officer could have put one and one together.   I know you dont want to "lose a month" by filing the petition when you return by you can not e-sign any document, it has to be original signatures. Next, you really need to make sure you address the reasons why thw K-1 was denied, you really need to talk to him. Further, any other glaring issues, age differences, cultural differences, what does he do for a living? 

 

What does your mom plan to do, I really think that the petitions now are "connected", meaning they know you and your mom are petitioning for men that know each other. If you dont mind me asking how old is your mom, and her fiancé? 

I'm not being negative but, this whole situation just "stinks. 

 

[Desertrose9 7]

16 hours ago, Maria1989 said:

 

 

I can physically be there and sign the paper works when im staying with him in Kabul, no need for e signatures and as for as the marriage certificate all they will need is a copy so i can send a copy to my friend via email

whose helped people in marriage petitions in the past 

 

my moms fiance is about 15 years younger than her but like i said my fiance and him dont know each other personally they just live in Kabul and they mer for the time with us so prior to that they didnt know each other

andmy fiance is 24 im 31 not a big age difference, he worked for a very well known american base as a guard At the time of his interview in afg its not a normal life there where its easy living or job hunting options sonhis contract ended shortly before Ramadan, 2017. Hes currently out of a job, and im a on a financial budget but i had a successful business owner who is my friend that wa the co sponsper

and when i asked my lawyer if maybe there was something suspiscious thatvym mother and i applied almost at the same timing also with ththe same lawyer he said one lawyer can file for five people from the same house hold for instance..

 

[Boiler 45,549]

The reasons seem pretty obvious to an outsider as they no doubt did to the CO.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

2 hours ago, Desertrose9 said:

I can physically be there and sign the paper works when im staying with him in Kabul, no need for e signatures and as for as the marriage certificate all they will need is a copy so i can send a copy to my friend via email

whose helped people in marriage petitions in the past  Careful with "people who have helped others file petitions before".

 

my moms fiance is about 15 years younger than her but like i said my fiance and him dont know each other personally they just live in Kabul and they mer for the time with us so prior to that they didnt know each other Not a too big of an age difference for your mom and you with your
fiances.

andmy fiance is 24 im 31 not a big age difference, he worked for a very well known american base as a guard At the time of his interview in afg its not a normal life there where its easy living or job hunting options sonhis contract ended shortly before Ramadan, 2017. Hes currently out of a job, and im a on a financial budget but i had a successful business owner who is my friend that wa the co sponsper

and when i asked my lawyer if maybe there was something suspiscious thatvym mother and i applied almost at the same timing also with ththe same lawyer he said one lawyer can file for five people from the same house hold for instance.. Sure one can do that but it is a red flag
when both mother and daughter find their fiances in the same country and file petitions at the same time, it has nothing to do with
what you lawyer said, sorry that made no sense to me what he said.
I would not be in such a rush to file and take my time or you will not end up with a good quality package. Gather some bona fide
evidence first, lease, joint bank account, joint cc, joint land ownership, photos of you together at varies events etc.....then submit that.
You seem to be in a huge hurry to file.

 

 

[Maria1989 403]

2 hours ago, Desertrose9 said:

I can physically be there and sign the paper works when im staying with him in Kabul, no need for e signatures and as for as the marriage certificate all they will need is a copy so i can send a copy to my friend via email

whose helped people in marriage petitions in the past 

 

my moms fiance is about 15 years younger than her but like i said my fiance and him dont know each other personally they just live in Kabul and they mer for the time with us so prior to that they didnt know each other

andmy fiance is 24 im 31 not a big age difference, he worked for a very well known american base as a guard At the time of his interview in afg its not a normal life there where its easy living or job hunting options sonhis contract ended shortly before Ramadan, 2017. Hes currently out of a job, and im a on a financial budget but i had a successful business owner who is my friend that wa the co sponsper

and when i asked my lawyer if maybe there was something suspiscious thatvym mother and i applied almost at the same timing also with ththe same lawyer he said one lawyer can file for five people from the same house hold for instance..

 

Wait wait.... You have the same lawyer, you dont even have the finances to do the Affidavit of support and you have a friend that is willing to sponsor your fiance, ummmm would that be the same person willing to sponsor your mother's fiance as well? I'm sorry looks Very Suspicious. Further..... I have worked in the Legal Field since 2000. That is 17 years. Currently, I do Paralegal work for a law firm recently listed as one of the top firms in the State of Michigan, I was a Courtroom Clerk ( you know that person sitting next to the Judge, and no not the Reporter that is typing), I was also a Judicial Assistant (you know that person that you often see coming from the back offices of the courtroom, the person preparing the Courts Orders, doing research for the Judge), yep that was me. So Listen to me....... All Caps coming .......... YOUR LAWYER IS A LIAR, AND HE DOES NOT CARE IF YOUR PETITION IS SUCCESSFUL OR NOT, HE DOES NOT CARE IF YOUR MOTHER'S PETITION IS SUCCESSFUL. BY THE TIME YOU ARE AT THE INTERVIEW, AND DENIED, HE HAS ALREADY COLLECTED HIS FEES ON BOTH OF YOUR FILES. 

 

And by the way, if your lawyer tells you that it is not suspicious for 5 family members in the same household to file petitions for recently married spouses, or in your case not yet married fiances, in the same household, not only is he a liar but that is bordering and could be perceived as malpractice, legal misconduct, or an intentional misrepresentation. A lay person can tell you that sounds suspicious, you are not talking about 5 people who accepted a job offer to work at a facility for a two year period, you are talking about 5 people in the same hosuehold getting married to 5 foreign spouses at the same time. Laughable......... Your case seems even more suspicious because you are a mother and daughter getting married at the same time, both to foreign spouses. That isn't a typical event.  You have referenced him as your Lawyer, meaning you have paid him, you signed a retainer for his services. I'm sorry to say you and your mom have wasted your money. 

 

For others that may be interested, its best to get counsel if ever needed by word of mouth. Also law is like medicine, just because someone is a lawyer doesn't mean they should be handling your case. For example, would you go to a Dentist for heart surgery? Check your attorney's area of practice, any attorney that says they do everything, run..... I don't want someone who normally handles criminal files working on my file regarding a domestic matter or an immigration matter. You get the point I'm making. If you can't get a word of mouth referral, contact your local bar association for a referral, they won't recommend anyone not in good standing or with a known history of grievances or suspensions. 

 

I wrote all this because I'm trying to help you. And guess what, it's free. But, I get the feeling that because you paid your lawyer, you will more than likely, follow his legal advice. There is nothing better than "bought advice".

 

Good luck to you

Edited August 6, 2017 by Maria1989

[Amhara 460]

The smell test is not being passed.  Mother and daughter both divorce and soon after petition for two younger men.  

 

The lawyer really should not have sent the petition unless the case had more evidence of relationships.  My lawyer even suggested visiting a few times (which we did not need to do.)

 

Regardless, the plan of petitioning from Afghanistan sounds like a really bad plan.  Go to Afghanistan if you wish, spend a month or more there, take many, many pictures with family.  Then return to the US and file for the marriage petition a few months after.  

 

If you need a sponsor for the fiance visa, then you don't make enough money.  If your fiancé just lost his job, he doesn't make enough money.  If you file from Afghanistan, (not to mention how to get the petition with the original signature to the States) it looks very desperate. This isn't a dash to the US, this is a life long bond.  

 

Your second petition will fail without sufficient evidence of your relationship.  Send communication; not just photos.  Communications take time.  You don't want your case to look like a wife/visa for hire!

 

 

[Desertrose9 7]

On 8/5/2017 at 10:03 PM, Ebunoluwa said:

 

 Joint bank account? Lease? Waht r u talking about lol we are both broke the only way i can make a joint account under my chase is to provide proof of his id and he would have to physically be here in new york i dont know how i could do those suggestions if hes 8000 miles away

and obviously im in a hurry we are love and the distance is really hurting our relationship we want to be together finally 

[Boiler 45,549]

I always think the important thing to bear in mind is that they can not keep you apart.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

2 hours ago, Desertrose9 said:

 Joint bank account? Lease? Waht r u talking about lol we are both broke the only way i can make a joint account under my chase is to provide proof of his id and he would have to physically be here in new york i dont know how i could do those suggestions if hes 8000 miles away

and obviously im in a hurry we are love and the distance is really hurting our relationship we want to be together finally 

You said you want to live there for a while and file from there. You would have to live somewhere, as in an apartment perhaps so a lease with
both of your names on it would be good.
He should have a bank account with your name on it as a joint account, I am aware it wouldn't work on your bank account in the US.
If he owns a little piece of land or a car then put that in both names.
I am talking about in his country because it sounded like you want to stay there and file from there.
I am trying to help you so take it easy.
Yes, obviously you are in a hurry and as I keep saying that is not in your favor.
Everyone here wants to be together, no one wants to be apart, so move there temporarily until approved and have good evidence
for the embassy by living together.
If it is hurting your relationship then re evaluate why that is and make changes to improve that, it should strengthen it with fresh
commitment, not hurt it. Hurrying is not the answer. Endurance and evidence is.


 

[Amhara 460]

7 hours ago, Lemonslice said:

What do you mean, your sponsor was someone else?

I was wondering that myself.

 

It sounds like she had her mother on the Affidavit of support, which of course would bring mom into the case.  So mom must earn enough to pay for two men.  

 

I do recall the OP mentioning that she had to send in tax returns earlier in this post and then I was surprised that her attorney sent off such a petition without tax returns!!!  If he was worth his education, he would have sent copies of the forms AND at least the transcripts from the IRS!

 

 Well, we will see how fast this goes.  At least rent in Kabul is cheap and the homes are large so her and her mother can both stay in AFG to improve their cases.  

 

(Wish I had access to my popcorn animation...)

Edited August 10, 2017 by Amhara

[Desertrose9 7]

21 hours ago, Ebunoluwa said:

You said you want to live there for a while and file from there. You would have to live somewhere, as in an apartment perhaps so a lease with
both of your names on it would be good.
He should have a bank account with your name on it as a joint account, I am aware it wouldn't work on your bank account in the US.
If he owns a little piece of land or a car then put that in both names.
I am talking about in his country because it sounded like you want to stay there and file from there.
I am trying to help you so take it easy.
Yes, obviously you are in a hurry and as I keep saying that is not in your favor.
Everyone here wants to be together, no one wants to be apart, so move there temporarily until approved and have good evidence
for the embassy by living together.
If it is hurting your relationship then re evaluate why that is and make changes to improve that, it should strengthen it with fresh
commitment, not hurt it. Hurrying is not the answer. Endurance and evidence is. He doesnt own land or a car, any other sugggestions ?

 

Ok sorry and thanks for the info on that.youre  right i shouldnt rush- so ill be staying with his parents i dont know how i could get a lease from that or something?

.s so lets say i live there for a few months  and still apply from there i should still wait after building those relationships etc for the firsft few months then apply?

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

12 minutes ago, Desertrose9 said:

Ok sorry and thanks for the info on that.youre  right i shouldnt rush- so ill be staying with his parents i dont know how i could get a lease from that or something?

.s so lets say i live there for a few months  and still apply from there i should still wait after building those relationships etc for the firsft few months then apply?

Yes, build and grow the relationship, gather evidence, then file. Your fiance would know how to get a lease or get an affidavit from his parents stating
they approve of your relationship and that you live with them temporarily. Excellent evidence.

[Amhara 460]

4 hours ago, Desertrose9 said:

Hey u guys are assuming things i dont understand really so let me CLARIFY SOMETHINg: I NEVER SAID MY LAWYER DIDNT SEND MY TAX RETURNS HE SENT MINE AS WELL AS MY CO SPONSERS ETC- 

my mom was affidavit of support- however she didnt co sponsor my fiance because she didnt meet the guidelines for funds to sponder 2 men- thank you very much

 

my mother isnt goinf with me im doing this all on my own. Also because i dont want our cases to seem suspicious again

- i was planning on living with his parents for a few months, or maybe just a month- 

My bad, it was another person who didn't send their tax returns.

 

Not going with your mother will not make the case seem less suspicious.  Your mother would not be on the affidavit of support unless she was the co-sponsor.  Unless, of course, the same successful business man is sponsoring both guys that don't know each other.  That's what makes us confused about what you are saying.

 

Now your visit is down from several months to one month.  As everyone has said, it's your evidence of a bone fide relationship that will matter most.  You aren't in an arranged marriage, so relationship will matter.  

 

A marriage visa is easier to get, but of course, you could still face problems and it will not be fast.  Take lots of photos and have a good size wedding.  If you had a traditional Afghan wedding, that would have some weight for the interviewer.

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[Desertrose9 7]

On 8/10/2017 at 3:31 PM, Ebunoluwa said:

Yes, build and grow the relationship, gather evidence, then file. Your fiance would know how to get a lease or get an affidavit from his parents stating
they approve of your relationship and that you live with them temporarily. Excellent evidence.

Thats true but in kabul theres no lease, like in the US , he lives in a small mud house which belongs to his aunt and i believe they pay rent.. he wouldnt know how to get an affidavit from his parents how do you think he should do it?