MARRIED THRU K1 IN THE USA, IS IT ALSO MARRIED IN THE PHILIPPINES??

[Hank_ 9,174]

17 hours ago, FilAm.Love said:

 

In my husband's case, bec he was once married to a Filipina before, we were required to get a cenomar for him as well just to make sure that he has no records of marriage in the Philippines aside from getting the legal capacity to marry that he get at the us embassy.

Yes I corrected my thinking in my previous post.   

[Greenbaum 12,259]

On 6/1/2017 at 10:06 PM, Hank_ said:

Mostly correct.   Except for if you get married in the Philippines part and not being able to get a divorce.  Divorce, whether married in the Philippines or another country is not allowed (with a very small except-just for you Greenbaum )  Then the divorce issue only applies if you are still living in the Philippines.  A person can move to another country (USA in our case as this is a U.S. visa forum), get divorced and it can be accepted in the Philippines.. IF, if the foreigner initiates the divorces it will be accepted in the Philippines.  If the Filipino initiates the divorce it will be accepted everywhere in the world except the Philippines... but even in this situation it does not stop a person from completing a fiancee visa.

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[Hank_ 9,174]

1 hour ago, Greenbaum said:

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[hardrockangel 21]

On 6/1/2017 at 1:59 PM, FilAm.Love said:

 

Good day to all,

 

I have a friend who's saying that once you're married in the USA thru K1, you're also married in the Philippines. I said it is not true unless you declare it at the Philippine embassy here in the USA. She doesn't believe it. Can anyone here explain in detail about the difference between K1 and spousal visa and what are the procedures, advantages and disadvantages if there's any so I can send it to her? Thank you!

Her marriage still not valid in the Philippines until she do the ROM or report of marriage in Philippine consulate in her area.

Edited August 29, 2017 by hardrockangel

[Hank_ 9,174]

5 hours ago, hardrockangel said:

Her marriage still not valid in the Philippines until she do the ROM or report of marriage in Philippine consulate in her area.

Sorry, married is married.  The foreign marriage is valid in the Philippines and the rest of the world ... ROM is just a notification process .. not a validity process.  Not reporting the marriage do not make like "it never happened".

 

Most countries do not have a process for reporting/recording a marriage (CENOMAR/CEMAR) nationally as the Philippines does.  A person could run around the country getting married over and over and over ... none would be legal and it would be bigamy of course.

[John & Rose 7,239]

6 hours ago, hardrockangel said:

Her marriage still not valid in the Philippines until she do the ROM or report of marriage in Philippine consulate in her area.

That is like saying that you dont owe income taxes because you decided not to file them... You owe the taxes even if you try to get away without filing.  Eventually, it will catch up to you.

 

A marriage is a marriage whether or not you file for that recognition in other countries.

[FilAm.Love 1]

38 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

Sorry, married is married.  The foreign marriage is valid in the Philippines and the rest of the world ... ROM is just a notification process .. not a validity process.  Not reporting the marriage do not make like "it never happened".

 

Most countries do not have a process for reporting/recording a marriage (CENOMAR/CEMAR) nationally as the Philippines does.  A person could run around the country getting married over and over and over ... none would be legal and it would be bigamy of course.

My husband was married to a filipina before. He met her here already in the USA. He told me that when they got married, the both of them never report their marriage at the Philippine consulate here in the states. Whenever they go home to Philippines she always brought her marriage and birth certificate bec her passport is still under her maiden name while her greencard is under married name. When they got divorce, he never file annulment since they never declare their marriage at the Philippine consulate. The mess up about it? The wife can actually marry another guy in the Philippines since she has no records at civil registrar or NSO in the Philippines. Even my own sister. My mother once get a cenomar for her at the NSO. She remain single although she was married already in Ohio. 

[FilAm.Love 1]

6 hours ago, hardrockangel said:

Her marriage still not valid in the Philippines until she do the ROM or report of marriage in Philippine consulate in her area.

That's what I believe too. If you're under K1, you to file ROM at the Philippine consulate near you in order for the NSO in the Philippines to have record of your marriage abroad. 

[Hank_ 9,174]

1 minute ago, FilAm.Love said:

My husband was married to a filipina before. He met her here already in the USA. He told me that when they got married, the both of them never report their marriage at the Philippine consulate here in the states. Whenever they go home to Philippines she always brought her marriage and birth certificate bec her passport is still under her maiden name while her greencard is under married name. When they got divorce, he never file annulment since they never declare their marriage at the Philippine consulate. The mess up about it? The wife can actually marry another guy in the Philippines since she has no records at civil registrar or NSO in the Philippines. Even my own sister. My mother once get a cenomar for her at the NSO. She remain single although she was married already in Ohio. 

You husband being married in the Philippines before really isn't an issue as long as he was the one that filed for the divorce from the EX.. 

 

That is just "record keeping" on the rest.

[FilAm.Love 1]

Just now, Hank_ said:

You husband being married in the Philippines before really isn't an issue as long as he was the one that filed for the divorce from the EX.. 

 

That is just "record keeping" on the rest.

They never get married in the Philippines. He met the first wife here in the states and got married here but never in Philippines . They didn't declare or report their  marriage at the Philippine consulate at all that's why when he filed divorce, he doesn't need to file annulment in the Philippines since the both of them didn't report their marriage. 

[hardrockangel 21]

10 minutes ago, FilAm.Love said:

They never get married in the Philippines. He met the first wife here in the states and got married here but never in Philippines . They didn't declare or report their  marriage at the Philippine consulate at all that's why when he filed divorce, he doesn't need to file annulment in the Philippines since the both of them didn't report their marriage. 

That's what I'm trying to say..we have to do the ROM if we want our marriage to be recorded in the Philippines..marriage is marriage..but in the Philippines there's a process for the marriage abroad to be more valid in the Philippines.

Edited August 30, 2017 by hardrockangel

[Hank_ 9,174]

7 hours ago, FilAm.Love said:

They never get married in the Philippines. He met the first wife here in the states and got married here but never in Philippines . They didn't declare or report their  marriage at the Philippine consulate at all that's why when he filed divorce, he doesn't need to file annulment in the Philippines since the both of them didn't report their marriage. 

He doesn't need to file annulment no matter .. that is what I was trying to get across earlier.. he is a foreigner, he filed for a divorce = no annulment process.   

 

Not reporting the marriage.. kept the Philippines government "in the dark" about the marriage & divorce.

[Hank_ 9,174]

7 hours ago, hardrockangel said:

That's what I'm trying to say..we have to do the ROM if we want our marriage to be recorded in the Philippines..marriage is marriage..but in the Philippines there's a process for the marriage abroad to be more valid in the Philippines.

.. there isn't a "more" valid .. there is just reporting the marriage or not ... the marriage is not less valid if you don't complete ROM.   The Philippines does recognize the marriage as valid .. they just haven't been officially informed.   Philippines is very much a NANNY country, they want to keep control and tabs on everyone like they are children.   Not saying it is a wrong system.. just lots of extra "I" and "T" to cross.

 

There is no reporting of marriage in other countries .. doesn't make the marriage less valid.

[hardrockangel 21]

8 minutes ago, Hank_ said:

.. there isn't a "more" valid .. there is just reporting the marriage or not ... the marriage is not less valid if you don't complete ROM.   The Philippines does recognize the marriage as valid .. they just haven't been officially informed.   Philippines is very much a NANNY country, they want to keep control and tabs on everyone like they are children.   Not saying it is a wrong system.. just lots of extra "I" and "T" to cross.

 

There is no reporting of marriage in other countries .. doesn't make the marriage less valid.

Yes hank,and I'm not even agree with Philippine process and procedures..and I don't even happy with the ROM..and you're right they want to have control with everyone..but now atleast I'm clear about the ROM😀