US declines to endorse Paris Climate agreement [merged threads]

[CaliCat 3,957]

40 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Do you understand the basics of CO2 emissions and the climate?  Because moving to the farm is not going to save you and your family. 

 

LOL. I think the answer is quite obvious, at this point. 

[Bugs 455]

41 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Probably. I don't really worry about it out here. I plan on moving us outside the city anyways. I'd be more concerned if I was in the Bay Area still where there were millions of people, emissions, and pollution in general compacted into a small geographical area. Of course, implementing leftists policies aren't practical for much of the world, and I don't see the wealthy leftists using their money to help those people. Instead they're using it, like Uncle Soros, to bus liberals around to disrupt Trump rallies and cause a ruckus. When I see the left leading by example for a change it might inspire others to do the same. I see no reason why I should be spending my money helping them out until they do so.

 

Yes I am very well aware why you won't pursue urgent issues out of your dislike for certain individuals.  You made that clear in some of your first responses to me, complaining about "left" this and "left" that rather than tackling the issues directly.  I recognized it instantly, as my brother voted for Trump for the same reason and said the same thing you did.

 

And now regrets it.

 

Sad how our hatred for people blinds us to reason.

 

Would it help to throw some lunatic alt-rightists your way?

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, Leon & Mylen said:

 

Yes I am very well aware why you won't pursue urgent issues out of your dislike for certain individuals.  You made that clear in some of your first responses to me, complaining about "left" this and "left" that rather than tackling the issues directly.  I recognized it instantly, as my brother voted for Trump for the same reason and said the same thing you did.

 

And now regrets it.

 

Sad how our hatred for people blinds us to reason.

 

Would it help to throw some lunatic alt-rightists your way?

 

Buyer's remorse seems to be expanding across the land. I don't think people outside the US would be able to notice, though.

[Boiler 45,399]

Transferring large sums of money to foreign bank accounts always makes thing better.

[IAMX 3,055]

38 minutes ago, Leon & Mylen said:

my brother voted for Trump for the same reason and said the same thing you did.

[Bugs 455]

47 minutes ago, IAMX said:

I understand the basics, what I don't see is the proof that humans are causing it to change, or any meaningful change (I see far more proof that climate change is natural), nor do I see how a few countries in a world populated with billions could magically change the Earth's climate by changing their methods of pollution. If climate models, the crux of applications of climate theory, were in the least bit accurate, and there were not so many competing models, I'd believe we really have a gasp on the complex system of climate. It's clear we don't. /inb4 straw man of "but you'll never get 100% utter complete perfection"

I'm glad to educate you on this then.  There are a few links on the bottom that provides the evidence, with further links for your own research. There is a huge treasure trove of scientific data that backs up the conclusion man is artificially warming our planet.  

 

To sum it up (and, again, this is all backed by actual consensual scientific data and research):

 

CO2 is a greenhouse gas.  You know what greenhouse gases are, correct?  They are gases that, when present in the atmosphere warm our planet.  When you add more greenhouse gases that what the Earth is capable of absorbing, then this will increase the amount of greenhouse gases present in our atmosphere, which, in turn increases the planet's temperatures.

 

Currently, the Earth and life on it naturally emits 770 gigatons of CO2 every year and absorbed 790 gigatons of CO2. Do the math.  This should result in a net DECREASE of CO2 of 20 gigatons every year, and, therefore, set the Earth on a cooling trend.  More on this later.

 

However, human fossil burning and land use artificially pumps an additional 30 gigatons of CO2 every year.  So now, again, doing the math, this results in a SURPLUS of 10 gigatons of CO2 every year, instead of decrease that was supposed to be happening naturally.  Therefore we are artificially warming the planet.

 

Here is a chart that shows how CO2 correlates with global temperatures.

 

 

So, now that's been established, how much are we warming the planet?

 

 

Today the average global tempurature anomaly has reached close to 1.5 degrees Celsius, so you can see the alarming rate in which man-made CO2 emissions have warmed the planet.  The real danger is once this hits 2.0 C, when scientists warn of catastrophic dangers worldwide that would result.  We are not far behind.

 

Is this all part of the Earth's natural cycle?  Let's take a look:

 

 

As you can see, we were quite due a cooling trend.  And, indeed, from this closer look below of the last thousand years, we see it taking place.

 

 

 

However, this natural cooling trend was abnormally and sharply interrupted starting at around the mid-1800's.  

 

Guess when the Industrial Age began.

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://www.popsci.com/evidence-climate-change-is-real

https://skepticalscience.com/evidence-for-global-warming.htm

 

[Bugs 455]

19 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Nothing to watch really.  He believed in largely the same things most in my family did before the 2016 election and has returned to believing these things after the 2016 election.  So it's over.  It was his dislike for a few individuals at work that turned him to temporary insanity.  Many dislike their co-workers, so it happens I suppose.  

 

I'm just glad he has returned to reason and common sense.  

 

And he said it was the offensiveness of another individual that did so.  

 

His name was Donald Trump.

[Bugs 455]

Forgive me for some of the typos in the educational post.  It's late.

 

Anyways, it's been fun.  Goodnight all.

[Dashinka 24,437]

2 hours ago, Leon & Mylen said:

I'm glad to educate you on this then.  There are a few links on the bottom that provides the evidence, with further links for your own research. There is a huge treasure trove of scientific data that backs up the conclusion man is artificially warming our planet.  

 

To sum it up (and, again, this is all backed by actual consensual scientific data and research):

 

CO2 is a greenhouse gas.  You know what greenhouse gases are, correct?  They are gases that, when present in the atmosphere warm our planet.  When you add more greenhouse gases that what the Earth is capable of absorbing, then this will increase the amount of greenhouse gases present in our atmosphere, which, in turn increases the planet's temperatures.

 

Currently, the Earth and life on it naturally emits 770 gigatons of CO2 every year and absorbed 790 gigatons of CO2. Do the math.  This should result in a net DECREASE of CO2 of 20 gigatons every year, and, therefore, set the Earth on a cooling trend.  More on this later.

 

However, human fossil burning and land use artificially pumps an additional 30 gigatons of CO2 every year.  So now, again, doing the math, this results in a SURPLUS of 10 gigatons of CO2 every year, instead of decrease that was supposed to be happening naturally.  Therefore we are artificially warming the planet.

 

Here is a chart that shows how CO2 correlates with global temperatures.

 

 

So, now that's been established, how much are we warming the planet?

 

 

Today the average global tempurature anomaly has reached close to 1.5 degrees Celsius, so you can see the alarming rate in which man-made CO2 emissions have warmed the planet.  The real danger is once this hits 2.0 C, when scientists warn of catastrophic dangers worldwide that would result.  We are not far behind.

 

Is this all part of the Earth's natural cycle?  Let's take a look:

 

 

As you can see, we were quite due a cooling trend.  And, indeed, from this closer look below of the last thousand years, we see it taking place.

 

 

 

However, this natural cooling trend was abnormally and sharply interrupted starting at around the mid-1800's.  

 

Guess when the Industrial Age began.

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://www.popsci.com/evidence-climate-change-is-real

https://skepticalscience.com/evidence-for-global-warming.htm

 

That is an interesting mass balance.  So what they are saying is that if we kept this negative balance and reduced the CO2 20Gtons every year, in a little less than 40 years the CO2 would be gone.  This is my issue with these models and so scientific theories, they are so far fetched and full of errors it is pathetic. As you stated, CO2 is a GHG, but do you know it is also plant food.  What would we do in 40 years if all the CO2 is gone?  Would these august scientistists set controls as to when to use CO2 emitting sources of energy?  Would we have to come up with CO2 generation complexes to spew out CO2 to keep some in the atmosphere?  The main point is that this total system is so complex, these scientists have little chance of actually being right.

 

 

Edited June 2, 2017 by Bill & Katya

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

4 hours ago, Leon & Mylen said:

I'm glad to educate you on this then.  There are a few links on the bottom that provides the evidence, with further links for your own research. There is a huge treasure trove of scientific data that backs up the conclusion man is artificially warming our planet.  

 

To sum it up (and, again, this is all backed by actual consensual scientific data and research):

 

CO2 is a greenhouse gas.  You know what greenhouse gases are, correct?  They are gases that, when present in the atmosphere warm our planet.  When you add more greenhouse gases that what the Earth is capable of absorbing, then this will increase the amount of greenhouse gases present in our atmosphere, which, in turn increases the planet's temperatures.

 

Currently, the Earth and life on it naturally emits 770 gigatons of CO2 every year and absorbed 790 gigatons of CO2. Do the math.  This should result in a net DECREASE of CO2 of 20 gigatons every year, and, therefore, set the Earth on a cooling trend.  More on this later.

 

However, human fossil burning and land use artificially pumps an additional 30 gigatons of CO2 every year.  So now, again, doing the math, this results in a SURPLUS of 10 gigatons of CO2 every year, instead of decrease that was supposed to be happening naturally.  Therefore we are artificially warming the planet.

 

Here is a chart that shows how CO2 correlates with global temperatures.

 

 

So, now that's been established, how much are we warming the planet?

 

 

Today the average global tempurature anomaly has reached close to 1.5 degrees Celsius, so you can see the alarming rate in which man-made CO2 emissions have warmed the planet.  The real danger is once this hits 2.0 C, when scientists warn of catastrophic dangers worldwide that would result.  We are not far behind.

 

Is this all part of the Earth's natural cycle?  Let's take a look:

 

 

As you can see, we were quite due a cooling trend.  And, indeed, from this closer look below of the last thousand years, we see it taking place.

 

 

 

However, this natural cooling trend was abnormally and sharply interrupted starting at around the mid-1800's.  

 

Guess when the Industrial Age began.

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

http://www.popsci.com/evidence-climate-change-is-real

https://skepticalscience.com/evidence-for-global-warming.htm

 

So nature  emits 770 gigs tons and man accounts for 30.  Seems like we need to be pointing the finger at nature don't we.

 

Science warned of another ice age in the 70s. What changed.

 

If it's the hottest it has been in 100s of years , what caused it back then 

 

Is New York under water as Gore Predicted 

[Dashinka 24,437]

10 hours ago, IAMX said:

Gotta implement leftist policies or else don't care about kids, don't care about environment, are a greedy rich person, a dumb hillbilly, and other emotional arguments that have nothing to do with logic and reason. 

Remember, the MDL has the market cornered on caring and hating!

 

[Dashinka 24,437]

11 hours ago, Boiler said:

I thought Paris was just words? Nothing binding. 

 

All meaningless so odd to raise a fuss, just do what the French do, sign and ignore.

Yes, that is something that everyone tends to forget.  Paris is a non-binding agreement with the only enforcement vehicle being public shaming and ridicule.  I think China was planning to sit back until 2030, or something like that before they were actually planning on doing anything as they understand that hamstringing their economy is not a good thing.  Then you have all these other countries, many of them major oil producers that signed onto it, why, because it is non-binding and lacks a credible measuring stick.  I am sure all those estimated reductions by all those signatories are extremely well vetted scientificly based on rigorous data crunching, or maybe they just as symbolic as the whole Paris agreement itself?

Edited June 2, 2017 by Bill & Katya

[Dashinka 24,437]

9 hours ago, Leon & Mylen said:

Some do, but most do not.  Our primary industries - Silicon Valley, agriculture, and Hollywood - remain intact and we still have the 6th largest GDP in the world.  I'm pretty sure we will be fine in helping out the rest of the world move forward on this a bit.  

 

Other states are following suit, by the way, not to mention every other country in the world except Syria.  Does this mean these exiting industries will continue to hop around?

 

So it is all the Hollywood types spewing out all the CO2 in CA?  I knew they were a bunch of hypocrites! 

 

[Dashinka 24,437]

7 hours ago, ccneat said:

Do you understand the basics of CO2 emissions and the climate?  Because moving to the farm is not going to save you and your family. 

Yes, we pulled out of a symbolic non-binding agreement and we are all going to die!  Unless we listen to those in the MDL and adopt their values and give them our money so they can save the world and lead us.

 

 

[IAMX 3,055]

38 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Yes, we pulled out of a symbolic non-binding agreement and we are all going to die!  Unless we listen to those in the MDL and adopt their values and give them our money so they can save the world and lead us.

 

 

As usual the left need to embellish everything to try and scare people into adhering to their beliefs. There is no waiting, no patience, no nothing.. do as I say, right now, or else we all die, and only my way will save us. #religion