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Just now, spookyturtle said:

Build that nuclear waste storage facility on the shores of Lake Huron. 

I think that is those pesky Canadians.

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So anti-French rally to be held at Lafayette Square...will he rename it Square-a-Lago or just sell the naming rights? History points to the second option .

all coz he was bewildered and irritated by smack-talk from a Frenchman 31 years his junior!

Vive la France!!!

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Freedom fries for everybody!

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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https://qz.com/997008/emmanuel-macron-skewers-trump-in-the-first-ever-english-address-from-the-elysee-make-our-planet-great-again/

 

first the the wicked handshake, now this smack-talk??

Make Our Planet Great Again.

(Pittsburgh didn't vote Trump, Lafayette was a French aristocrat ( elitist?))

there will be yuuuuuge crowds, bigly!!!

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1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

Sorry this took a bit for me to respond, but in addition to the usual evening distractions, the author wasn't backing up his claims with any sources, so I had to do the research for him.

 

His first contention, that warming over the last 50 years or so has averaged only about half of what computerized climate models can explain can be traced to what is known as the Christy Graph.  This is a single graph produced a while back that was not published in a peer reviewed journal, and for good reason.  Data comparing the actual recorded weather data and the models were improperly aligned to on the graph to make it look like the models were off track.  Furthermore, only 3 sources of weather recording data were chosen, rather than the entire spectrum of recorded data (needed for more accurate averages), and, even with that, instead of ranges used, single points on the graph were plotted.  This kind of thing would have been blasted on any peer-reviewed article as ludicrously fallacious and incredibly misleading.  It would have been a complete joke.  More accurate graphs that include ALL data (and there are many) show that global surface temperatures, ocean temperatures, and rising sea levels are on par with the models as predicted and that arctic melting is actually faster than predicted. 

 

The above, by the way, was typical of what I would find in my research of the skeptics.

 

His second contention that it is not obvious that recent warming is entirely the fault of our CO2 admissions, is the same thing you, and many climate deniers say.  And you already know my answer to that:  It's not obvious to him because he is not a climatologist.  So I'm not going to dwell on this one.

 

His third contention, that the Paris efforts wil only revert .3 degrees warming can be traced to a narrow-eyed analysis of solely the CURRENT goals of all the countries in the pact.  Indeed, if we stuck with just those goals, we would still surpass the 2.0 degrees Celsius threshold climatologists warn us about.  The pact explicitly expresses this.  However, nowhere does the pact task nations to permanently abide by their current goals.  It is a commitment for more.  It requires a reconvening in 2020 with every nation needing to present loftier goals in reduction, with the cumulative goal, as also explicitly expressed in the pact, of reducing models to 2.0, then ultimately 1.5 in the future (the latter being an aspirational goal and not a binding figure).

 

His fourth and fifth contention have to do with economics and nothing to do with science, so I'll skip that.  I don't deny economic sacrifices need to be made.  But the sacrifices will pale compared to the eventual sacrifices made by all of us in the long run if we ignore the science.

 

His sixth contention, that CO2 benefits crops is a ridiculous argument in favor of CO2 rise, and completely ignorant of the damaging effects of rising CO2.  Nobody denies that plants like CO2.  So I'll skip this one, as only the idiots would latch on something like this.

 

There.  It was a pain to have to do all his research for him, let alone even respond to an obviously biased source, but at least I did so rather than dismiss it entirely based on the URL..

 

Not something you can exactly say.

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Paris Agreement does nothing.

 

It is non binding.

 

Many get a pass, including amusingly the biggest one, China.

 

So lets say you are a true believer, nothing of consequence will happen, nothing of consequence is expected to happen, now what?

 

If you want to focus on something start with population growth.

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

Paris Agreement does nothing.

 

It is non binding.

 

Many get a pass, including amusingly the biggest one, China.

 

So lets say you are a true believer, nothing of consequence will happen, nothing of consequence is expected to happen, now what?

 

If you want to focus on something start with population growth.

Gladly.

 

Why do Republicans consider family planning education and easy access to birth control as sinful?

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2 minutes ago, Leon & Mylen said:

Gladly.

 

Why do Republicans consider family planning education and easy access to birth control as sinful?

I did not know they did, but best to ask one I suppose. Why ask me?

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Just now, Boiler said:

I did not know they did, but best to ask one I suppose. Why ask me?

Lol, fair enough.  Just going with your suggested topic.

 

Probably is the wrong thread though.  Besides, I already debated it in another one, so I'm better off spending time with my wife now.

 

Goodnight folks, it's been fun.

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