NYTimes: French Voters Defy Putin’s Meddling, but You’d Hardly Know It in Russia

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, IAMX said:

 

 

I will take you seriously on this discussion when you drop the no proof canard about Russian intelligence involvement in trying to influence our election.  

[Jacque67 7,328]

Just now, smilesammich said:

Me too. Tequila time!!!

[Jacque67 7,328]

1 minute ago, ccneat said:

I will take you seriously on this discussion when you drop the no proof canard about Russian intelligence involvement in trying to influence our election.  

Optimistic much? I follow Mark Twain's rule!!!!

[Dashinka 24,505]

34 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Funny : NYTimes is fake news: no proof needed , institutions set up in Soviet era days for exactly these tactics and you want document proof.

 

Read the article with an open mind and make your own decision about what information is lacking. 

I did read the article, and I didn't see any reference to "documented" evidence.  For all we know, the Macron side started the whole story about the supposed hack to take advantage of the Russian meddling/collusion narrative that is still alive here.  Was any of the hacked information let out?  If Russia/Putin really wanted to influence the election via hacked information, it would have been smarter to do it much sooner.

Edited May 9, 2017 by Bill & Katya

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16 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

no one denies the dnc rigged the primaries for hillary - and that has nothing to do with flynn or yates or russia employing trolls to spread lies to bs americans. why doesn't that bs bother you.?

all i see in the quote above is you stating what is documented that aligns with your maga narrative. whenever the current situation is discussed all maga drones want to talk about is 'lefties crying they lost the election' lol. wonder why ya'll want to keep the convo deadset on the past.

So we need to restrict lying and trolling to just the American political parties?

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14 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Along with Pizzagate, Transhumanism, the Deep State, White Genocide, Seth Rich...........

I think you are watching too much Samantha Bee.

[IAMX 3,055]

2 minutes ago, ccneat said:

I will take you seriously on this discussion when you drop the no proof canard about Russian intelligence involvement in trying to influence our election.  

 

Now it's about "trying" to influence the election. Just how wide can you move the goalposts? First it was Russia hacked the election causing Trump to win. Then it was Russia meddled in the election causing Trump to win (whatever the hell meddling means in this context), now it's about simply TRYING to influence an election, which every country does. 

 

This is just really, really bad. 

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20 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

no one denies the dnc rigged the primaries for hillary - and that has nothing to do with flynn or yates or russia employing trolls to spread lies to bs americans. why doesn't that bs bother you.?

all i see in the quote above is you stating what is documented that aligns with your maga narrative. whenever the current situation is discussed all maga drones want to talk about is 'lefties crying they lost the election' lol. wonder why ya'll want to keep the convo deadset on the past.

And this is acceptable (the DNC and the Hillary campaign colluding to get the nomination)?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

So we need to restrict lying and trolling to just the American political parties?

i don't think that is what i said, although it would make your head in the sand approach easier to argue-no doubt. is that what i said by confirming that the dnc rigged the election for hillary? nah. not at all.

considering the trash heap we ended up with as president because the dnc is a self serving group of out of touch elites - the dnc should disappear and be replaced with democratic socialists. 2020 should maga party vs democratic socialists. 

[IAMX 3,055]

5 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

I did read the article, and I didn't see any reference to "documented" evidence.  For all we know, the Macron side started the whole story about the supposed hack to take advantage of the Russian meddling/collusion narrative that is still alive here.  Was any of the hacked information let out?  If Russia/Putin really wanted to influence the election via hacked information, it would have been smarter to do it much sooner.

But Macron and the media said it was true therefore we must believe. 

 

Citation: Anonymous sources and Macron campaign. 

 

Why do you hate the truth so much? 

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1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

i don't think that is what i said, although it would make your head in the sand approach easier to argue-no doubt. is that what i said by confirming that the dnc rigged the election for hillary? nah. not at all.

considering the trash heap we ended up with as president because the dnc is a self serving group of out of touch elites - the dnc should disappear and be replaced with democratic socialists. 2020 should maga party vs democratic socialists. 

Just what we need...Socialism.  Maybe we can be more like France with over 50% of are GDP going to the government?

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

And this is acceptable (the DNC and the Hillary campaign colluding to get the nomination)?

the dnc and hillary can collude all that want. it's up for voters to determine if it is acceptable or not. 

russia being able to black mail your ns advisor and being warned repeatedly about this possibility is not even in the same ballpark. 

 

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

Just what we need...Socialism.  Maybe we can be more like France with over 50% of are GDP going to the government?

Don't fall for the distraction. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, Bill & Katya said:

Just what we need...Socialism.  Maybe we can be more like France with over 50% of are GDP going to the government?

knew that word would trigger you. sawry. 

Edited May 9, 2017 by smilesammich

[Dashinka 24,505]

Just now, smilesammich said:

the dnc and hillary can collude all that want. it's up for voters to determine if it is acceptable or not. 

russia being able to black mail your ns advisor and being warned repeatedly about this possibility is not even in the same ballpark. 

 

Yes, because Sally Yates said Flynn could be blackmailed because he talked to a foreign ambassador, I am sure it would have come to pass.  Isn't talking to foreign agents part of the job description for the NSA?