US murders concentrated in 5 percent of counties

[Teddy B 17,252]

2 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Isn't that kinda the point though? To show that areas with the highest legal(I guess they should have put that in there) gun ownership have less murders, whereas areas where most of the guns are illegally possessed have more murders. I don't think they consider illegally held guns as "gun ownership".

No, I don't see that as the point of that statement at all. The point that was being made is that "More guns mean you are safer". There is no way of telling how many guns are "owned" in Chicago because there is no record of most of them.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Teddy B

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, OriZ said:

 I don't think they consider illegally held guns as "gun ownership".

they should. guns don't shoot any differently when held by a lawful owner or a nonlawful owner. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

13 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

Completely misleading statement. There is no way to tell what the rate of "gun ownership" is in places like Chicago or others where murder rates are high because most of the guns are obtained illegally. It wouldn't be a stretch at all to say there are probably more illegally obtained guns in Chicago than there are in most places with high legal gun ownership.

It is fairly obvious when the say "Gun ownership" they mean legal ownership. Getting a  stolen gun off the black market or thru a straw purchase, is no more gun ownership than driving a stolen car is car ownership. Legal gun ownership is easily tracked.

[smilesammich 10,727]

is it about lawful gun ownership or murder rates?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

5 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

No, I don't see that as the point of that statement at all. The point that was being made is that "More guns mean you are safer". There is no way of telling how many guns are "owned" in Chicago because there is no record of most of them.

I think the point is, that in areas with legal gun ownership crime rates are lower. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

is it about lawful gun ownership or murder rates?

what if, just what if it was about both. Here we go with the word merry go round 

[Teddy B 17,252]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

It is fairly obvious when the say "Gun ownership" they mean legal ownership. Getting a  stolen gun off the black market or thru a straw purchase, is no more gun ownership than driving a stolen car is car ownership. Legal gun ownership is easily tracked.

And the statement is completely misleading. No kiddin any place with a high rate of legal gun ownership is going to have lower crime rates than a place that has just as many guns owned illegally.

 

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I think the point is, that in areas with legal gun ownership crime rates are lower. 

Thank you Capt Obvious. The point trying to be made is that more guns are better. Anyone with a 2nd grade education knows that more legally owned guns will produce less crime than more illegally owned guns.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Teddy B

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

what if, just what if it was about both. Here we go with the word merry go round 

so, in these five counties - do you believe we should allow lawful gun ownership? like, allow felons to own guns say, if a certain time frame has passed since their felony or depending upon the type of felony?

Edited April 28, 2017 by smilesammich

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 minute ago, Teddy B said:

And the statement is completely misleading. No kiddin any place with a high rate of legal gun ownership is going to have lower crime rates than a place that has just as many guns owned illegally.

 

Thank you Capt Obvious.

I feel empowered  

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

should probably compare population size as well...

[Teddy B 17,252]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I feel empowered  

 

You need to get some sun man.

[Teddy B 17,252]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

should probably compare population size as well...

Where's Gary? Population doesn't matter!!!

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Teddy B said:

Where's Gary? Population doesn't matter!!!

yeah right. there is literally not a single social issue that doesn't have a hinge on population size.

[Teddy B 17,252]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

yeah right. there is literally not a single social issue that doesn't have a hinge on population size.

Except for Vermont!

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

6 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

so, in these five counties - do you believe we should allow lawful gun ownership? like, allow felons to own guns say, if a certain time frame has passed since their felony or depending upon the type of felony?

Yes-1

No-2