Only Two Percent of Americans Who Voted for Trump Regret It

[OriZ 3,157]

29 minutes ago, Transborderwife said:

My opinion exactly 

That's why you have been accepted as a permanent member of the MOR club. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

19 minutes ago, OriZ said:

That's why you have been accepted as a permanent member of the MOR club. 

 

I second that.

[IAMX 3,055]

7 hours ago, OriZ said:

I agree with some of what you're saying, I support enforcing a strong border and deporting any illegals who have committed crimes. I just have an issue with deporting people who haven't committed any crimes who did not get to make their own conscious decision to come to the US illegally, many years after the fact, after they've built a life here. I think it's inhumane to tear somebody's life apart for something they didn't do wrong. Not to mention the fact that sometimes you do end up deporting productive people who actually contributed, not only welfare cases. In either case, I think it's on us if we fail to prevent their parents from coming in or deporting them in a timely manner, 

Regardless of their age, illegal presence by a foreigner is itself a crime and subject to the same removal conditions.

 

What to me is inhumane is the risk a parent would place upon their child to put them in a situation like this. The US has a process of immigration. My concern is tearing that up by allowing exclusions such as this, and the fact that pulling families away from each other during this process (i.e. tearing them apart) is part of the justification for following the law.. those who clearly respect the US and it's laws and customs follow through with this, and they are rewarded mutually for their respect. Giving others the same conditions without the requirement of following the law is a massive slap in the face to those who do follow it and endure this torture you wish to exclude illegals from.

 

I'd certainly be willing to see eye to eye with the argument you put forth if such a country and global led effort to undermine these laws weren't already widely in effect. Because of this effort to undermine the laws, I see no reason to compromise.

Edited April 24, 2017 by IAMX

[OriZ 3,157]

4 minutes ago, IAMX said:

Regardless of their age, illegal presence by a foreigner is itself a crime and subject to the same removal conditions.

 

What to me is inhumane is the risk a parent would place upon their child to put them in a situation like this. The US has a process of immigration. My concern is tearing that up by allowing exclusions such as this, and the fact that pulling families away from each other during this process (i.e. tearing them apart) is part of the justification for following the law.. those who clearly respect the US and it's laws and customs follow through with this, and they are rewarded mutually for their respect. Giving others the same conditions without the requirement of following the law is a massive slap in the face to those who do follow it and endure this torture you wish to exclude illegals from.

 

I'd certainly be willing to see eye to eye with the argument you put forth if such a country and global led effort to undermine these laws weren't already widely in effect. Because of this effort to undermine the laws, I see no reason to compromise.

There are other laws that get broken but there is still statute of limitations on them. Well hey since we're not MDL we can just agree to disagree and respect each other's opinion.  

[IAMX 3,055]

4 minutes ago, OriZ said:

There are other laws that get broken but there is still statute of limitations on them. Well hey since we're not MDL we can just agree to disagree and respect each other's opinion.  

We can't fight? 

 

(btw I don't even know what these acronyms mean.. MDL and others)

Edited April 24, 2017 by IAMX

[OriZ 3,157]

3 hours ago, IAMX said:

We can't fight? 

 

(btw I don't even know what these acronyms mean.. MDL and others)

I'll have naitch send you the full dictionary. 

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

From the USCIS website

 

Guidelines

You may request DACA if you:

Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;

Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;

 

So a 36 year old illegal can apply for DACA as long as they meet the guidelines above. But if an American born citizen has their spouse enter on an esta and overstays they are possibly facing a 10 year ban. I am married to my American born wife 9 years we both live abroad but she must prove intent to return, we must get a sponsor and dance through hoops for the next 12 months. At 36 years old we are not talking about kids anymore, they are old enough to stand on their own two feet so make them leave and enter under the same rules and guidelines as the rest of us. 

 

An argument can be made for DACA only as long as we are talking about kids. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

18 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

From the USCIS website

 

Guidelines

You may request DACA if you:

Were under the age of 31 as of June 15, 2012;

Came to the United States before reaching your 16th birthday;

 

So a 36 year old illegal can apply for DACA as long as they meet the guidelines above. But if an American born citizen has their spouse enter on an esta and overstays they are possibly facing a 10 year ban. I am married to my American born wife 9 years we both live abroad but she must prove intent to return, we must get a sponsor and dance through hoops for the next 12 months. At 36 years old we are not talking about kids anymore, they are old enough to stand on their own two feet so make them leave and enter under the same rules and guidelines as the rest of us. 

 

An argument can be made for DACA only as long as we are talking about kids. 

 

The difference is that the 36-year old you're talking about has lived in the US for more than half of his/her life. By all means, this country is his/her home, no matter how you look at it. At 16 years of age, they were kids upon arrival.

 

In your case, your American-born wife doesn't need to prove intent to return, since she is a citizen and she can enter and leave the country as she wishes. You who need to satisfy the requirements in order to enter the US because you're the alien. Your situation is quite different, and you're at an advantage over anyone with DACA.

 

 

Edited April 25, 2017 by CaliCat

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

The difference is that the 36-year old you're talking about has lived in the US for more than half of his/her life. By all means, this country is his/her home, no matter how you look at it.

 

In your case, your American-born wife doesn't need to prove intent to return, since she is a citizen and she can enter and leave the country as she wishes. You who need to satisfy the requirements in order to enter the US because you're the alien. Your situation is quite different, and you're at an advantage over anyone with DACA.

If we turned up without her showing intent to domicile the application would be refused, so she has to prove some intent regardless of how little. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

2 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

If we turned up without her showing intent to domicile the application would be refused, so she has to prove some intent regardless of how little. 

 

I am not following. As a US citizen she can enter the country anytime she wishes. She doesnt need to show intent to leave the US at any point.

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

I am not following. As a US citizen she can enter the country anytime she wishes. She doesnt need to show intent to leave the US at any point.

My wife is an American born citizen but she lives in Ireland with me. We are married 9 years but during the I-130 process she will be asked to prove intent to domicile in the USA, it is a requirement not an optional choice.

[CaliCat 3,957]

7 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

My wife is an American born citizen but she lives in Ireland with me. We are married 9 years but during the I-130 process she will be asked to prove intent to domicile in the USA, it is a requirement not an optional choice.

 

I thought she was here. In this case she will need to show intent on residing in the US for your benefit, not for hers. As your petitioner she will need to prove she will be able to support you upon arriving in the US. Since she doesn't live here and doesn't have a job here she will need to find a co-sponsor, who will take that role with her. Anyone in her family or a friend can do that, and in the absence of someone, she can come in a few months ahead of you, get a job, and establish domicile in the country again. Maybe no the most ideal situation, but it is often done so. 

Edited April 25, 2017 by CaliCat

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

2 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

I thought she was here. In this case she will need to show intent on residing in the US for your benefit, not for hers. As your petitioner she will need to prove she will be able to support you upon arriving in the US. Since she doesn't live here and doesn't have a job here she will need to find a co-sponsor, who will take that role with her. Anyone in her family or a friend can do that, and in the absence of someone, she can come in a few months ahead of you, get a job, and establish domicile in the country again. Maybe no the most ideal situation, but it is often done so. 

This is my main problem with DACA, these cases were loaded on to the USCIS with instructions to process them quicker. It over loaded the offices and backlogged a lot of applications. I read a story of a American born guy who had been living with his wife in Australia, they had a couple of kids. Like my wife and I we were not aware of any backlog when we started the process. That guy had to leave his wife and kids in Australia because his new job was starting. The family spend Christmas Day on a webcam opening presents, I can't find any justification for any illegal being processed ahead of any USA born citizen and keeping a family apart. His teenage kids were registered as American abroad but the mother was not able to travel for the best part of 8 or 9 months, grossly unfair.

 

My kids are older so it's not a problem, our sponsor is already sorted and we will take a holiday in August or September to fill the I-864 in with my wife's Parents. All the intent to domicile will also be sorted while over there. Honestly I feel there must be a fairer system that does not directly interfere with US born citizens applications.

[CaliCat 3,957]

6 minutes ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

This is my main problem with DACA, these cases were loaded on to the USCIS with instructions to process them quicker. It over loaded the offices and backlogged a lot of applications. I read a story of a American born guy who had been living with his wife in Australia, they had a couple of kids. Like my wife and I we were not aware of any backlog when we started the process. That guy had to leave his wife and kids in Australia because his new job was starting. The family spend Christmas Day on a webcam opening presents, I can't find any justification for any illegal being processed ahead of any USA born citizen and keeping a family apart. His teenage kids were registered as American abroad but the mother was not able to travel for the best part of 8 or 9 months, grossly unfair.

 

My kids are older so it's not a problem, our sponsor is already sorted and we will take a holiday in August or September to fill the I-864 in with my wife's Parents. All the intent to domicile will also be sorted while over there. Honestly I feel there must be a fairer system that does not directly interfere with US born citizens applications.

 

I wouldn't count on the vacation. Your paperwork may be done by Aug/Sep. How long ago did you file your petition(I-130)?

 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2017 by CaliCat

[Mr&Mrs G. 903]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

I wouldn't count on the vacation. Your paperwork may be done by Aug/Sep. How long ago did you file your petition(I-130)?

 

 

 

Unfortunately not too long ago

 

Mar 15 - I-130 Mailed to Chicago Lockbox

Mar 20 - I-130 Received in Chicago 

Mar 24 - Case assigned to Nebraska Serv