Questions concerning RFE

[new orleans bound 0]

So today my husbnad and I got a request for further information and I'm at my wits end again. This is riduclous as we already sent most of this information in with our visa waiver packet. So it's back to the drawing board for us. I just can't believe we have to jump through all these friggin hoops to get a waiver approved. So here's what USCIS requested from us:

Submit evidence to establish that your intent in marriage was to establish a life together. Such evidence may include, but is not limited to: proof the beneficiary has been listed as your spouse on insurance policies, property leases, mortgages, income tax forms or bank accounts, and testimony or other evidence regarding courtship, wedding ceremony, shared residence and experience.

Submit police certificated for yourself from all of the localities where you have resided in the past five years including the United States and abroad.

So here goes, my questions:

1- does this equestion mean that they are questioning our reasons for marrying? Submit evidence to establish that your intent in marriage was to establish a life together.

I have him listed on my life insurance policy, but I left the States while we were still engaged. We don't have any joint accounts, and I'm not listed on the mortgage or the property he owns in Arkansas. He owned both pieces of property before he married me. WE have however filed our taxes as married-him in the US and me here in Canada.

2-evidence regarding courtship. I have emails we sent back and forth while we were dating. But we really don't have any other evidence. We never fought to hold onto the cards and tickets to shows, dinners, flowers as we wever dating. WE never in a million years thought we'd be doing this. But I do have a few bank account statements showing we lived together before I had to come to Canada. Re utilities- my husband and I were only dating at that point and he wouldn't have put me on the utilies.

2a-wedding ceremony I have that covered. Wedding invite and pictures of the wedding and party afterwards.

2b-shared residence. I have a few bank statements showing that I lived there before I came to Canada but that's all.

3-shared experiences- we went away on a trip to Utah while we were dating and have pictures but the itinerary is gone. I'm going to try expedia tomorrow and see if it might be on file. but that's a long shot. The only other trips we took together was after we married. What other shared experiences do we need to have?

is there any other evidence that I need. Does anyone suggest anything else I should include in my RFE packet.

Thanks

[Bobbie 1]

So today my husbnad and I got a request for further information and I'm at my wits end again. This is riduclous as we already sent most of this information in with our visa waiver packet. So it's back to the drawing board for us. I just can't believe we have to jump through all these friggin hoops to get a waiver approved. So here's what USCIS requested from us:

Submit evidence to establish that your intent in marriage was to establish a life together. Such evidence may include, but is not limited to: proof the beneficiary has been listed as your spouse on insurance policies, property leases, mortgages, income tax forms or bank accounts, and testimony or other evidence regarding courtship, wedding ceremony, shared residence and experience.

Submit police certificated for yourself from all of the localities where you have resided in the past five years including the United States and abroad.

So here goes, my questions:

1- does this equestion mean that they are questioning our reasons for marrying? Submit evidence to establish that your intent in marriage was to establish a life together.

I have him listed on my life insurance policy, but I left the States while we were still engaged. We don't have any joint accounts, and I'm not listed on the mortgage or the property he owns in Arkansas. He owned both pieces of property before he married me. WE have however filed our taxes as married-him in the US and me here in Canada.

2-evidence regarding courtship. I have emails we sent back and forth while we were dating. But we really don't have any other evidence. We never fought to hold onto the cards and tickets to shows, dinners, flowers as we wever dating. WE never in a million years thought we'd be doing this. But I do have a few bank account statements showing we lived together before I had to come to Canada. Re utilities- my husband and I were only dating at that point and he wouldn't have put me on the utilies.

2a-wedding ceremony I have that covered. Wedding invite and pictures of the wedding and party afterwards.

2b-shared residence. I have a few bank statements showing that I lived there before I came to Canada but that's all.

3-shared experiences- we went away on a trip to Utah while we were dating and have pictures but the itinerary is gone. I'm going to try expedia tomorrow and see if it might be on file. but that's a long shot. The only other trips we took together was after we married. What other shared experiences do we need to have?

is there any other evidence that I need. Does anyone suggest anything else I should include in my RFE packet.

Thanks

check your email for itinerarys sent to you, I generally keep them in the email after i print incase it is lost.

bobbie

[new orleans bound 0]

So today my husbnad and I got a request for further information and I'm at my wits end again. This is riduclous as we already sent most of this information in with our visa waiver packet. So it's back to the drawing board for us. I just can't believe we have to jump through all these friggin hoops to get a waiver approved. So here's what USCIS requested from us:

Submit evidence to establish that your intent in marriage was to establish a life together. Such evidence may include, but is not limited to: proof the beneficiary has been listed as your spouse on insurance policies, property leases, mortgages, income tax forms or bank accounts, and testimony or other evidence regarding courtship, wedding ceremony, shared residence and experience.

Submit police certificated for yourself from all of the localities where you have resided in the past five years including the United States and abroad.

So here goes, my questions:

1- does this equestion mean that they are questioning our reasons for marrying? Submit evidence to establish that your intent in marriage was to establish a life together.

I have him listed on my life insurance policy, but I left the States while we were still engaged. We don't have any joint accounts, and I'm not listed on the mortgage or the property he owns in Arkansas. He owned both pieces of property before he married me. WE have however filed our taxes as married-him in the US and me here in Canada.

2-evidence regarding courtship. I have emails we sent back and forth while we were dating. But we really don't have any other evidence. We never fought to hold onto the cards and tickets to shows, dinners, flowers as we wever dating. WE never in a million years thought we'd be doing this. But I do have a few bank account statements showing we lived together before I had to come to Canada. Re utilities- my husband and I were only dating at that point and he wouldn't have put me on the utilies.

2a-wedding ceremony I have that covered. Wedding invite and pictures of the wedding and party afterwards.

2b-shared residence. I have a few bank statements showing that I lived there before I came to Canada but that's all.

3-shared experiences- we went away on a trip to Utah while we were dating and have pictures but the itinerary is gone. I'm going to try expedia tomorrow and see if it might be on file. but that's a long shot. The only other trips we took together was after we married. What other shared experiences do we need to have?

is there any other evidence that I need. Does anyone suggest anything else I should include in my RFE packet.

Thanks

check your email for itinerarys sent to you, I generally keep them in the email after i print incase it is lost.

bobbie

the trip was in 2004 and both myself and husband have it deleted. No record other than photos.

[new orleans bound 0]

Oh and I forgot- How do I get my hands on a police certificate when I've been in Canada for the last three years?

[sophyie 0]

Do you have any friends/neighbours who know both of you and have (possibly) been around when you lived together who could write a statement about your marriage?Or family?

Letters/ cards to you that mention him? Mail addressed to both of you?

Even a shared membership to a videostore might help.

Also, could he not add you to your accounts even though you're in Canada?

Or open a new (shared) one with both your names on it?

As for the police certificates- I guess you can request one from where you've lived and they'll send it to you. That's how it is in Germany at least

Someone else will know.

[mrsserendipity 0]

Oh and I forgot- How do I get my hands on a police certificate when I've been in Canada for the last three years?

i did some searching, this page provides information about obtaining fingerprints and a us police certificate if you are in canada.

http://www.amcits.com/police_certificate.asp

quick edit: oh yeah, and what are all our 130s or 129s or waivers or whatever we filed for, if their approval means nothing when we go to the consulate?

Edited April 10, 2007 by mrsserendipity

[mrsserendipity 0]

i included everything from the wedding, from our open bar tab to my wedding gown receipt, lol. also, letters from anyone and everyone that can say nice things about your relationship. we had letters from our parents, his friends and brothers and brother's wife and his cousins and aunts and grandma...i spent a lot of time with them, we have dozens of letters from people, even the ladies his mom worked with. thing is than you need to get all their birth certificates and them things notarized and such, but they're worth it. it says a lot that people are going on record and putting their names out there supporting a visa. also, it should be easy and painless to get your name added to all his bank account and such. this also says a lot that the guy is trusting you with his money, lol. we also bought bestbuy electronics together and both our names were on the cards, so we included those too (i guess the big screen we bought and laptop were were it, even though i still dont understand why men need 70 inch tvs and stuff, lol). getting names added to bank and credit cards is fairly easy. tax papers where he claimed you? although sometimes they are instructed to not claim out-of-country relatives, and if so, get a letter from the accountant. we did that, too. his accountant said to not claim me because if it leads to him getting a bigger tax return, it will look fishy or something, but we had a notarized statement from him. i guess just little things if you dont have the big stuff. we never saw this whole mess coming either, and they have to understand that unless you DO go into a relationship for a visa, you really DONT save everything.

good luck

[new orleans bound 0]

i included everything from the wedding, from our open bar tab to my wedding gown receipt, lol. also, letters from anyone and everyone that can say nice things about your relationship. we had letters from our parents, his friends and brothers and brother's wife and his cousins and aunts and grandma...i spent a lot of time with them, we have dozens of letters from people, even the ladies his mom worked with. thing is than you need to get all their birth certificates and them things notarized and such, but they're worth it. it says a lot that people are going on record and putting their names out there supporting a visa. also, it should be easy and painless to get your name added to all his bank account and such. this also says a lot that the guy is trusting you with his money, lol. we also bought bestbuy electronics together and both our names were on the cards, so we included those too (i guess the big screen we bought and laptop were were it, even though i still dont understand why men need 70 inch tvs and stuff, lol). getting names added to bank and credit cards is fairly easy. tax papers where he claimed you? although sometimes they are instructed to not claim out-of-country relatives, and if so, get a letter from the accountant. we did that, too. his accountant said to not claim me because if it leads to him getting a bigger tax return, it will look fishy or something, but we had a notarized statement from him. i guess just little things if you dont have the big stuff. we never saw this whole mess coming either,and they have to understand that unless you DO go into a relationship for a visa, you really DONT save everything.

and they have to understand that unless you DO go into a relationship for a visa, you really DONT save everything.---I couldn't have said it better myself. Why would I save any of the stuff from when we dated. I never imagined that we'd be doing this 3 years later. It's only after we started this process that I've saved everything. I am going to photocopy all the letters our friends and family wrote for us for our waiver. It's stupid that we have to re-send everything again.

good luck

[mrsserendipity 0]

i really dont understand how AFTER the 130 was APPROVED, they're asking for more evidence.

what do they want- an x-rated video of our sex lives?

then again, maybe. lol

i wonder if our "interview" would've gone fine if we had a male.

*high five*

"dude, she's hot, congrats on the marriage. visa's in the mail."

oh and ALSO,

WHAT MAKES THESE PEOPLE QUALIFIED TO JUDGE RELATIONSHIPS?

ok i understand they have an extensive knowledge of the law...but RELATIONSHIPS? where are THEIR movie stubs and concert tickets, eh?

come to think of it, i dont recall seeing a ring on her finger

i guess ours was lazy to look through our huge 130 approved file, so she decided to flat out lie

[homesick_american 1]

i really dont understand how AFTER the 130 was APPROVED, they're asking for more evidence.

An I-130 just means you're qualified to apply. I would think the relationship validity test would come later. We didn't have any such tests; I guess it was obvious to them that the relationship was real.

WHAT MAKES THESE PEOPLE QUALIFIED TO JUDGE RELATIONSHIPS?

ok i understand they have an extensive knowledge of the law...but RELATIONSHIPS? where are THEIR movie stubs and concert tickets, eh?

come to think of it, i dont recall seeing a ring on her finger

i guess ours was lazy to look through our huge 130 approved file, so she decided to flat out lie

They're not judging your relationship, they're judging whether the relationship is a real one or whether it's a fake designed to get the immigrant into the United States. The UK used to have stringent 'primary purpose' laws and they were far more invasive than those in the US. You could be investigated, or you could simply be refused entry into the UK after the visa was issued if the immigration officer had any doubts.

The point of proving a relationship exists is to prove that you're eligible to get the visa. If your relationship is real, you should not have any trouble. I had to provide similar documents to the Home Office to get my fiancee visa to the UK; it's no big deal. It's just part of the process. They're not judging you as people.

[mrsserendipity 0]

i really dont understand how AFTER the 130 was APPROVED, they're asking for more evidence.

An I-130 just means you're qualified to apply. I would think the relationship validity test would come later. We didn't have any such tests; I guess it was obvious to them that the relationship was real.

WHAT MAKES THESE PEOPLE QUALIFIED TO JUDGE RELATIONSHIPS?

ok i understand they have an extensive knowledge of the law...but RELATIONSHIPS? where are THEIR movie stubs and concert tickets, eh?

come to think of it, i dont recall seeing a ring on her finger

i guess ours was lazy to look through our huge 130 approved file, so she decided to flat out lie

They're not judging your relationship, they're judging whether the relationship is a real one or whether it's a fake designed to get the immigrant into the United States. The UK used to have stringent 'primary purpose' laws and they were far more invasive than those in the US. You could be investigated, or you could simply be refused entry into the UK after the visa was issued if the immigration officer had any doubts.

The point of proving a relationship exists is to prove that you're eligible to get the visa. If your relationship is real, you should not have any trouble. I had to provide similar documents to the Home Office to get my fiancee visa to the UK; it's no big deal. It's just part of the process. They're not judging you as people.

for our interview she didnt ask ANY question at ALL about our relationship. she came in, looked at my approvals and said denied because i was unlawful in the us over 180 days. which was complete bullshit, our lawyer provided them with evidence and i got clearance from homeland security. i was legally in the us from age 7-20, my last papers were denied, i left within 2 weeks. in fact she even wrote those dates ON the denial "section 212 a b 9 2, unlawful for over 180 days. denied september 16, 2004, left october 7, 2004.

i have NO idea what her problem was. we had evidence from all 4 yrs of our relationship. she didnt even ask for affidavit of support...NOTHING. just took my xpresspost envelope and my original approval papers and said dismissed, free to go, here's a 601 waiver to file. my husband wrote about it in the canada section of visajourney.

[homesick_american 1]

for our interview she didnt ask ANY question at ALL about our relationship. she came in, looked at my approvals and said denied because i was unlawful in the us over 180 days. which was complete bullshit, our lawyer provided them with evidence and i got clearance from homeland security. i was legally in the us from age 7-20, my last papers were denied, i left within 2 weeks. in fact she even wrote those dates ON the denial "section 212 a b 9 2, unlawful for over 180 days. denied september 16, 2004, left october 7, 2004.

i have NO idea what her problem was. we had evidence from all 4 yrs of our relationship. she didnt even ask for affidavit of support...NOTHING. just took my xpresspost envelope and my original approval papers and said dismissed, free to go, here's a 601 waiver to file. my husband wrote about it in the canada section of visajourney.

That sucks; I read a little bit about that. I really hope that gets sorted out and from what I hear, that woman deserves a date with a pink slip.

[mrsserendipity 0]

for our interview she didnt ask ANY question at ALL about our relationship. she came in, looked at my approvals and said denied because i was unlawful in the us over 180 days. which was complete bullshit, our lawyer provided them with evidence and i got clearance from homeland security. i was legally in the us from age 7-20, my last papers were denied, i left within 2 weeks. in fact she even wrote those dates ON the denial "section 212 a b 9 2, unlawful for over 180 days. denied september 16, 2004, left october 7, 2004.

i have NO idea what her problem was. we had evidence from all 4 yrs of our relationship. she didnt even ask for affidavit of support...NOTHING. just took my xpresspost envelope and my original approval papers and said dismissed, free to go, here's a 601 waiver to file. my husband wrote about it in the canada section of visajourney.

That sucks; I read a little bit about that. I really hope that gets sorted out and from what I hear, that woman deserves a date with a pink slip.

yeah, i'm still in my b*tching i-can't-believe-she-did-that stage. i should pass this stage soon i know it SHOULNT be about personal judgement, but that's exactly what it felt like, and actually...was. i wish they COULD present her with a pink slip (i dont know how their disciplinary system works). and then when she tries to appeal it, they should say DENIED!

[homesick_american 1]

for our interview she didnt ask ANY question at ALL about our relationship. she came in, looked at my approvals and said denied because i was unlawful in the us over 180 days. which was complete bullshit, our lawyer provided them with evidence and i got clearance from homeland security. i was legally in the us from age 7-20, my last papers were denied, i left within 2 weeks. in fact she even wrote those dates ON the denial "section 212 a b 9 2, unlawful for over 180 days. denied september 16, 2004, left october 7, 2004.

i have NO idea what her problem was. we had evidence from all 4 yrs of our relationship. she didnt even ask for affidavit of support...NOTHING. just took my xpresspost envelope and my original approval papers and said dismissed, free to go, here's a 601 waiver to file. my husband wrote about it in the canada section of visajourney.

That sucks; I read a little bit about that. I really hope that gets sorted out and from what I hear, that woman deserves a date with a pink slip.

yeah, i'm still in my b*tching i-can't-believe-she-did-that stage. i should pass this stage soon i know it SHOULNT be about personal judgement, but that's exactly what it felt like, and actually...was. i wish they COULD present her with a pink slip (i dont know how their disciplinary system works). and then when she tries to appeal it, they should say DENIED!

Me too; it sounds as if she screwed up and you guys are paying the price for it. It isn't right. I really hope things get sorted out soon for you guys.

[new orleans bound 0]

So I have the most of my evidence ready- Prepared without the useless lawyer I've hired/soon to be fired! My husband and I both wrote letters about when we started dating, our romance,and subsequent marriage. My parents wrote a letter. My friends in Canada and in the US wrote letters for us, as well as a few co-workers. I have documentation showing our names on loan doc, names on life insurance policies and pictures. Pictures of us dating, going to functions, at home, our marraige and vacations.

If that is not enough evidence to show of our on going commitment to each other and that our marriage was entered in good faith I have no idea what else they could possibly need. Have I missed anything? Is there anything else I should include? I'm waiting for my husband to arrive on May 9th with the original RFE paperwork for VSC and than off goes the RFE paperwork. My husband and I are hoping that once VSC receives all of this paperwork that the waiver will be approved as the ban, MY ban, end July 2007. Wish us luck.