Police arrest at least 20 as protesters clash at pro-Trump rally in Berkeley

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

2 minutes ago, Inikamoze said:

You have all the facts of everyone who attended? Seem to have made a judgement on all those present being unemployed, yes your comment did infer those at the rally had the time as they don't work for a living. 

Sorry but alot of these "Anti-fascists" are just basically either stupid college kids or people living in the basement. They came there to start ####### that's why all their faces are covered so that they can't be recognized. 

[Inikamoze 86]

So to you the Michael Brown situation is a done deal and the justification for the killing is based upon all the known facts?

 

You don't need a library of evidence to figure out when a situation is morally wrong, plain and simple wrong.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I would assess the facts of the situation and then reevaluate my opinion accordingly. But I have told my oldest daughter that there is no privilege anymore, you will get the respect you deserve. If you act out and start fights, don't get mad when people fight back. But if my family did not start or escalate the fight and the guy just goes off and hits her for no reason then yes there is a problem. 

 

But the main problem I see nowadays with us Millenials is that women think that it's ok to haul off and it someone wither that's a guy or a girl. But when that guy she just hit actually hits back then she gets offended that he hit her. I have seen numerous videos of this happening. Sorry you get what you give. 

The main problem to this is we have lost our sense of respect for women

[Inikamoze 86]

1 minute ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Sorry but alot of these "Anti-fascists" are just basically either stupid college kids or people living in the basement. They came there to start ####### that's why all their faces are covered so that they can't be recognized. 

Just anti fascists were covered up? I would say you are offending all fine upstanding members of society who happen to live or rent out basements.

They should allow these Neo Nazis to air their vile views rather than have them go underground, free speech and all that so that the wider public see these "brownshirts" are alive and kicking. Grandpa may have fought all those years ago to eradicate this failed tyranny.

 

You seem more upset at the anti fascists in all of this (your prerogative) but no thoughts on the other side? It's ok if you have certain sympathies on that front as I'm not here to judge... I would however look to educate.

[OriZ 3,157]

3 minutes ago, ccneat said:

The main problem to this is we have lost our sense of respect for women

I don't advocate punching women but I find the last two pages to be kind of silly. I didn't watch the video and I'm not necessarily talking about this particular case, but if you guys think that somebody can threaten you or even hit you and there should be nothing done to stop that just because they identify as a certain gender then you're all off your rocker. I'm sorry, ladies deserve all the respect in the world. But being born with certain parts however acting nothing like a lady doesn't automatically entitle you to the same. Even my wife would agree and does and has agreed to that(in private conversations we've had about these things in the past). People's actions towards you should be based on your own action, not on whether you kind of resemble a woman or not. That said if it was me personally, I don't see myself ever doing that no matter the circumstances. But in principle, I believe when it is warranted it is warranted. 

[Inikamoze 86]

8 minutes ago, ccneat said:

The main problem to this is we have lost our sense of respect for women

More like lost respect for each other... period!

[OriZ 3,157]

Just now, Inikamoze said:

More like lost respect for each other... period!

Yeah, respect should come from both sides. Give respect and you'll get respect, don't give it and you shouldn't deserve it just for what's in your pants. The problem is many females these days think they can act nothing like a lady but still get the same respect ladies should get. It doesn't work that way.

 

Edited April 17, 2017 by OriZ

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

10 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

Sorry but alot of these "Anti-fascists" are just basically either stupid college kids or people living in the basement. They came there to start ####### that's why all their faces are covered so that they can't be recognized. 

Here is the back story on the dude who likes to hit women:

• Heads up a white nationalist org  Identity Evropa
• The Evropa website gives an Oakdale post office box as its headquarters but does not name its leaders. The site uses Greek and Renaissance male statues as its imagery and includes links to materials touting the superiority of whites and genetic inferiority of other races.
• Less than honorable discharge after two tours in Iraq

 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Yeah, respect should come from both sides. Give respect and you'll get respect, don't give it and you shouldn't deserve it just for what's in your pants. The problem is many females these days think they can act nothing like a lady but still get the same respect ladies should get. It doesn't work that way.

 

Under what circumstances would you hit a woman? 

[Inikamoze 86]

8 minutes ago, OriZ said:

I don't advocate punching women but I find the last two pages to be kind of silly. I didn't watch the video and I'm not necessarily talking about this particular case, but if you guys think that somebody can threaten you or even hit you and there should be nothing done to stop that just because they identify as a certain gender then you're all off your rocker. I'm sorry, ladies deserve all the respect in the world. But being born with certain parts however acting nothing like a lady doesn't automatically entitle you to the same. Even my wife would agree and does and has agreed to that(in private conversations we've had about these things in the past). People's actions towards you should be based on your own action, not on whether you kind of resemble a woman or not. That said if it was me personally, I don't see myself ever doing that no matter the circumstances. But in principle, I believe when it is warranted it is warranted. 

Don't think anyone particularly cares whether you find it silly or not.

In the past there was a certain level of restraint required however much provoked that hitting a woman was a lowball act. Now you basically have individuals who basically advocate that certain situations warrant reprisals.

When you lose even this basic of baselines you move society into an ever more animalistic environment. 

Edited April 17, 2017 by Inikamoze

[Inikamoze 86]

26 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you absolutely know this woman did nothing wrong?  Do you have the missing 18.5 minutes of the Watergate tapes too?

Yes I have the tapes and still awaiting bids, free market economy you see, highest bidders currently a Russian entrepreneur.

[OriZ 3,157]

14 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Under what circumstances would you hit a woman? 

Almost none, personally. Unless she was assaulting me in a way that I had to defend myself. But I don't know what that has to do with anything - I believe you are what you act like. If you act like a man, don't expect to get treated as a woman.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 minute ago, OriZ said:

Almost none, personally. Unless she was assaulting me in a way that I had to defend myself. But I don't know what that has to do with anything - I believe you are what you act like. If you act like a man, don't expect to get treated as a woman.

[bcking 3,157]

43 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

So you absolutely know this woman did nothing wrong?  Do you have the missing 18.5 minutes of the Watergate tapes too?

We do not absolutely know that this woman did nothing wrong

 

However, I would say we do absolutely know that the man did something wrong. His life wasn't at risk from this woman, he responded inappropriately. 

[bcking 3,157]

46 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

My daughter, sister or niece wouldn't be there as they work for a living.

Isn't that true about everynoe who was present that day? All the Trump supporters clearly were able to take off a Friday to head up to Berkeley.