Police arrest at least 20 as protesters clash at pro-Trump rally in Berkeley

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

25 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Imagine if we had a group of supposed self-identifying American Muslims that loved guns, religion, superiority of their race and religion over others, murdering people, and ethnic cleansing. 

Yes that would be hard to envision wouldn't it.. Really. ?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Yes that would be hard to envision wouldn't it.. Really. ?

what group are you referring to? and historically what positions of power have they held in this country?

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

8 hours ago, ccneat said:

You make my point so well...

i try to help out where i can  

[Dashinka 24,493]

5 hours ago, smilesammich said:

white supremacy is not 'an opinion' that is espoused without violence. anyone who says white supremacists are capable of non violence or that their intentions ever are nonviolence.. is a fool. i'll say it again, neo nazis white supremacists racist pos..they all have the right to assemble and let everyone know how special and white they are and how they'd like to cleanse this nation of impure peoples. awesome. dandy. you and others keep telling me there are repercussions for violence, you're darn tootin there are. racists embody violence towards others and godspeed they get theirs. weird that this bothers so many of you.

i'm terribly sorry that you can equate democratic socialism with white supremacy and nazis.  white supremacy is not a political-economic system. but thanks for the lol.

I was equating two thought processes that are clearly wrong.

[OriZ 3,157]

As a Jew, I have no hatred for white supremacists. I think they're misguided, yes. I also think antifa folks are misguided. The problem I have with this liberal trend of not trusting people to be able to use their own brain is I find it more than infringing on one's freedom to be insulting. Whether it is limiting the size of sodas, forcing people to save for retirement, and it goes on and on, we've discussed many examples and now we're basically being told that people can't think for themselves so they need to be shielded from right wing extremists with dangerous views because they are so gullible if only you let them listen to that ####### they will end up believing it. Personally, I have a bigger issue with liberal professors and the indoctrination in schools, because alot of college kids can't think for themselves. Adults usually can. Lets not offend people by saying they shouldn't be allowed to listen to someone else's views, as misguided as they may be, and make up their own mind about it.

Edited April 19, 2017 by OriZ

[CaliCat 3,957]

11 minutes ago, OriZ said:

As a Jew, I have no hatred for white supremacists. I think they're misguided, yes. I also think antifa folks are misguided. The problem I have with this liberal trend of not trusting people to be able to use their own brain is I find it more than infringing on one's freedom to be insulting. Whether it is limiting the size of sodas, forcing people to save for retirement, and it goes on and on, we've discussed many examples and now we're basically being told that people can't think for themselves so they need to be shielded from right wing extremists with dangerous views because they are so gullible if only you let them listen to that ####### they will end up believing it. Personally, I have a bigger issue with liberal professors and the indoctrination in schools, because alot of college kids can't think for themselves. Adults usually can. Lets not offend people by saying they shouldn't be allowed to listen to someone else's views, as misguided as they may be, and make up their own mind about it.

 

But that happens all the time and everywhere. Have you looked at the guidelines for this very forum?

 

In any case, free speech comes in three flavors: protected, partially protected, and unprotected. 

 

 

Edited April 19, 2017 by CaliCat

[OriZ 3,157]

18 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

But that happens all the time and everywhere. Have you looked at the guidelines for this very forum?

 

In any case, free speech comes in three flavors: protected, partially protected, and unprotected. 

 

 

I'm not talking about direct incitement, that should not be tolerated on either side. I'm talking about views. The forum has nothing to do with this - they are allowed to set their own rules as a privately owned internet space. It's not the government and it's not a country. And last I knew even here people are allowed to express their views on certain issues, posts usually get deleted for personal insults etc, not for someone's political opinion.

Edited April 19, 2017 by OriZ

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

3 minutes ago, OriZ said:

I'm not talking about direct incitement, that should not be tolerated on either side. I'm talking about views. The forum has nothing to do with this - they are allowed to set their own rules as a privately owned internet space. It's not the government and it's not a country. And last I knew even here people are allowed to express their views on certain issues, posts usually get deleted for personal insults etc, not for someone's political opinion.

You on a roll today Oriz.

 

 

[OriZ 3,157]

46 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

You on a roll today Oriz.

 

 

Is it a sammich roll?

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

58 minutes ago, OriZ said:

I'm not talking about direct incitement, that should not be tolerated on either side. I'm talking about views. The forum has nothing to do with this - they are allowed to set their own rules as a privately owned internet space. It's not the government and it's not a country. And last I knew even here people are allowed to express their views on certain issues, posts usually get deleted for personal insults etc, not for someone's political opinion.

as a non moderator, how would you have stats on why posts get deleted?  Unless....

Edited April 20, 2017 by ccneat

[OriZ 3,157]

1 minute ago, ccneat said:

as a non moderator, how would you have stats on why posts get deleted?  Unless....

Unless.....

 

You guys make me laugh. 

 

I know the TOS and I'm quite observant and have spent several years here, enough time to tell what posts get deleted. Can't believe I have to explain that to an adult.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, OriZ said:

Unless.....

 

You guys make me laugh. 

 

I know the TOS and I'm quite observant and have spent several years here, enough time to tell what posts get deleted. Can't believe I have to explain that to an adult.

thats one narrative

[OriZ 3,157]

Way too funny.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Unless.....

 

You guys make me laugh. 

 

I know the TOS and I'm quite observant and have spent several years here, enough time to tell what posts get deleted. Can't believe I have to explain that to an adult.

Kinda like when you outside and your hair gets wet. It's more than likely raining 

[OriZ 3,157]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Kinda like when you outside and your hair gets wet. It's more than likely raining 

I know right. The MDL seems to love complicating things.