Police arrest at least 20 as protesters clash at pro-Trump rally in Berkeley

[smilesammich 10,727]

7 hours ago, Mr&Mrs G. said:

Even more surprising how many Hilary supporters, sorry Americans that didn't vote for him either but yet the man is president. 

 

 

i wasn't aware many hilary supporters didn't vote for trump. i would expect hilary supporters to vote for hilary, but what do i know.  something something electoral college. that is surprising.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

7 hours ago, ccneat said:

at this rate we will have no folk on chehest that admit to voting for Trump.  We will, however, have a boatload of vocal Hillary haters regardless...just because she exists.

I proudly voted for Trump. I did not vote Libertarian this year.

 

I would have voted for Satan in a Florida Gators uniform over Hillary.

I think Trumps appeal much like Sanders is he wanted to blow up the current system.

 

I do think Sanders may have beaten him.

 

Let's face it. Hillary is a proven lying Elitist and was so unpopular and repugnant most anyone could have beaten her.

[smilesammich 10,727]

7 hours ago, OriZ said:

I didn't see it defended anywhere, we've been through this yesterday with ccneat. Like I said you must be reading a different thread. Was she innocent? no. I don't believe she has much merit to complain, but that doesn't mean I agree with what he did. Most here don't and made that clear. See the difference is it would put a smile on your face to see a nazi get punched, but not on mine. Not a nazi and not this dude punching that woman. Even though I believe when you throw punches you shouldn't get offended when they are thrown back at you no matter your gender. Kinda like if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen is my view on that. There are what I consider to be dangerous views on both extreme ends of the spectrum, left and right. On the right you have the alt right/white supremacists/nazis but on the left you also have some extreme and dangerous ideologies that we have discussed here before. Now, you would disagree about the latter, so who determines who's allowed to voice their opinions? As long as there is no direct incitement, there is nothing you can do about it.

 

can we just agree that we do not see eye to eye on this (bold) and drop it? tired of repeating myself. i'm a pretty peaceful person, i don't like war or violence or people not being able to voice their opinions. i support free speech. but i also support nazis getting punched. note i'm not saying executed in the public square, just a good ol fashioned punch to the jaw. 

you're just digging too deep with the 'who determines who's allowed to voice their opinions' - everyone is allowed to voice their opinions. but, if you're a nazi/ws and voice your opinion - god bless the soul that cracks you in the face. (even typing that out made me smile).

Edited April 19, 2017 by smilesammich

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I proudly voted for Trump. I did not vote Libertarian this year.

 

I would have voted for Satan in a Florida Gators uniform over Hillary.

I think Trumps appeal much like Sanders is he wanted to blow up the current system.

 

I do think Sanders may have beaten him.

 

Let's face it. Hillary is a proven lying Elitist and was so unpopular and repugnant most anyone could have beaten her.

sanders would have demolished him. dnc did this to themselves. 

hillary may be a lying elitist but to claim this you have to accept the equal (and snowballing) evidence that trump is also a lying elitist.

[bcking 3,157]

14 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Let's face it. Hillary is a proven lying Elitist and was so unpopular and repugnant most anyone could have beaten her.

That doesn't apply to Trump? 

 

He's definitely been proven to be a liar, multiple times over

He is definitely "Elitist"

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

4 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

sanders would have demolished him. dnc did this to themselves. 

hillary may be a lying elitist but to claim this you have to accept the equal (and snowballing) evidence that trump is also a lying elitist.

Yup the DMV did this we can agree. 

 

The jury is still out on Trump. You folks with SEE have been screaming about everything from broken coolers at his resort to perfume sales, so it's hard to take any thing the left attacks Trump on serious.

 

In other words honestly it's too early to tell.

 

He could cure cancer and the MDL would scream about the lab rats that died

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

Yup the DMV did this we can agree. 

 

The jury is still out on Trump. You folks with SEE have been screaming about everything from broken coolers at his resort to perfume sales, so it's hard to take any thing the left attacks Trump on serious.

 

In other words honestly it's too early to tell.

 

He could cure cancer and the MDL would scream about the lab rats that died

it's not too early to tell. trump has been a con since day one. he will continue to con and line his pockets. bernie was the only candidate that has the proven record of supporting american workers, and you see what happened to him. trump can only dodge his own bs so long.

trump hasn't done anything close to 'curing cancer'. if you could tell me something beneficial that trump has done thus far for workers, not his swamp buddies, i would acknowledge it. the reality is, you can't.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

36 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

You make my point so well...

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

9 hours ago, ccneat said:

at this rate we will have no folk on chehest that admit to voting for Trump.  We will, however, have a boatload of vocal Hillary haters regardless...just because she exists.

Hey now I am a very vocal supporter and voter of Trump. But I am just moderately active here in CHEST because I do love my family. But MAGA, GO TRUMP

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I proudly voted for Trump. I did not vote Libertarian this year.

 

I would have voted for Satan in a Florida Gators uniform over Hillary.

I think Trumps appeal much like Sanders is he wanted to blow up the current system.

 

I do think Sanders may have beaten him.

 

Let's face it. Hillary is a proven lying Elitist and was so unpopular and repugnant most anyone could have beaten her.

Vocal Trump voter and supporter here as well. I do think Sanders probably would have galvinized the people more to come out and vote for him, and we might have lost to him more so than Killary. But it was funny the week or so after the election on the Bernie or Bust FB page they kept saying stuff like "We told you so" and "If you only voted for Bernie, we could have beat Trump".

[yuna628 9,676]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I proudly voted for Trump. I did not vote Libertarian this year.

 

I would have voted for Satan in a Florida Gators uniform over Hillary.

I think Trumps appeal much like Sanders is he wanted to blow up the current system.

 

I do think Sanders may have beaten him.

 

Let's face it. Hillary is a proven lying Elitist and was so unpopular and repugnant most anyone could have beaten her.

And you got your wish. You voted for 'Satan' who enjoys spending most of his days using your money to breathe the air in Florida.

All jokes aside, you do know that unfortunately there are some that did vote for Trump, not because they believe he's a good person or will be helpful to America, but because they believe he is an anti-Christ that will kick off WWIII, an apocalypse, and bring back Jesus from Heaven or merely elected him so that something along the lines those two geezers in the gun aisle were whispering about would happen, and that the true 'Holy Warrior' Mike Pence would take his place. Anything to further along the 'cause', just FYI. Crazy pants I know, but it's true.

 

And even though I'll be disagreed with here, I just don't see Sanders beating him. I'm happy that there are people that are slowly maybe beginning to see that single payer might work or that we need a different perspective on things. But all I see from Republicans, especially those hardliners, is screaming that Bernie is a socialist and is evil and his type of revolutionary thinking is a threat to society. Of course they also said that about Hillary when they forgot that way back when they actually did support her in a previous election...

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 hour ago, smilesammich said:

it's not too early to tell. trump has been a con since day one. he will continue to con and line his pockets. bernie was the only candidate that has the proven record of supporting american workers, and you see what happened to him. trump can only dodge his own bs so long.

trump hasn't done anything close to 'curing cancer'. if you could tell me something beneficial that trump has done thus far for workers, not his swamp buddies, i would acknowledge it. the reality is, you can't.

 

Many, if not most who voted for Trump are beginning to sober up from the kool aid. 

 

 

 

[Dashinka 24,493]

3 hours ago, smilesammich said:

can we just agree that we do not see eye to eye on this (bold) and drop it? tired of repeating myself. i'm a pretty peaceful person, i don't like war or violence or people not being able to voice their opinions. i support free speech. but i also support nazis getting punched. note i'm not saying executed in the public square, just a good ol fashioned punch to the jaw. 

you're just digging too deep with the 'who determines who's allowed to voice their opinions' - everyone is allowed to voice their opinions. but, if you're a nazi/ws and voice your opinion - god bless the soul that cracks you in the face. (even typing that out made me smile).

How conflicting can you be?  Personally I agree with most of what you said, but when you espouse non-violence, then say someone that says something you don't like they should be punched.  I cannot stand the current incarnation of those that call themselves neo-Nazis, but in this country they do have a right to peaceably assemble.  The best way to combat them is to ignore them and educate others about what is wrong with their message.  If you punch them in the face you will be giving them recognition, and possibly be facing criminal charges yourself.

 

I would love to say that anyone who espouses socialism, or as it is now being named "Democratic Socialism" should be punched in the face, but that is not the answer.  It is best to keep showing people how these political-economic systems do not work.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

7 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

How conflicting can you be?  Personally I agree with most of what you said, but when you espouse non-violence, then say someone that says something you don't like they should be punched.  I cannot stand the current incarnation of those that call themselves neo-Nazis, but in this country they do have a right to peaceably assemble.  The best way to combat them is to ignore them and educate others about what is wrong with their message.  If you punch them in the face you will be giving them recognition, and possibly be facing criminal charges yourself.

 

I would love to say that anyone who espouses socialism, or as it is now being named "Democratic Socialism" should be punched in the face, but that is not the answer.  It is best to keep showing people how these political-economic systems do not work.

Everyone can have an opinion but if I find it offensive I will smack you in the face. Pretty much sums up the MDL 

[CaliCat 3,957]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Everyone can have an opinion but if I find it offensive I will smack you in the face. Pretty much sums up the MDL 

 

 

LOL. MDR embracing free speech.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/judge-trump-no-protection-campaign-rally-speech-inciting-violence-n741731

 

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — A federal judge has rejected President Donald Trump's free speech defense against a lawsuit accusing him of inciting violence against protesters at a campaign rally.

Trump's lawyers sought to dismiss the lawsuit by three protesters who say they were roughed up by his supporters at a March 1, 2016 rally in Louisville, Kentucky. They argued that Trump didn't intend for his supporters to use force.