Police arrest at least 20 as protesters clash at pro-Trump rally in Berkeley

[yuna628 9,676]

3 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

because being white doesn't need 'promotion' as white is not oppressed. from their homepage

"WE ARE A GENERATION OF AWAKENED EUROPEANS WHO HAVE DISCOVERED THAT WE ARE PART OF THE GREAT PEOPLES, HISTORY, AND CIVILIZATION THAT FLOWED FROM THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT. WE REJECT THE IDEA THAT OUR IDENTITIES ARE MERE ABSTRACTIONS TO BE DECONSTRUCTED. WE OPPOSE THOSE WHO WOULD DEFAME OUR HISTORY AND RICH CULTURAL HERITAGE.  IN A TIME WHEN EVERY OTHER PEOPLE ARE ASSERTING THEIR IDENTITY, WITHOUT ACTION, WE WILL HAVE NO CHANCE TO RESIST OUR DISPOSSESSION."

 

this is all fine and dandy, but they need to say what they mean. hint: they're not in europe - they're in california.

 

also, from their 'application' to join: Are you and your spouse/partner of European, non-Semitic heritage?

Let's also not delve into this person's 'lectures', love of Nazi propaganda materials, the KKK, oh and umm... the love of Nazi salutes. I mean... yeah.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

Let's also not delve into this person's 'lectures', love of Nazi propaganda materials, the KKK, oh and umm... the love of Nazi salutes. I mean... yeah.

just reading through their 'education' and 'biodiversity' categories. they are most certainly white supremacists. non racist trump apologists seem to be unaware as to how white supremacists phrase their agenda nowadays. it's more of this 'double standard' in addition to the strawman 'why can't i be proud to be white' nonsense.

[CaliCat 3,957]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

because being white doesn't need 'promotion' as white is not oppressed. from their homepage

"WE ARE A GENERATION OF AWAKENED EUROPEANS WHO HAVE DISCOVERED THAT WE ARE PART OF THE GREAT PEOPLES, HISTORY, AND CIVILIZATION THAT FLOWED FROM THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT. WE REJECT THE IDEA THAT OUR IDENTITIES ARE MERE ABSTRACTIONS TO BE DECONSTRUCTED. WE OPPOSE THOSE WHO WOULD DEFAME OUR HISTORY AND RICH CULTURAL HERITAGE.  IN A TIME WHEN EVERY OTHER PEOPLE ARE ASSERTING THEIR IDENTITY, WITHOUT ACTION, WE WILL HAVE NO CHANCE TO RESIST OUR DISPOSSESSION."

 

this is all fine and dandy, but they need to say what they mean. hint: they're not in europe - they're in california.

 

also, from their 'application' to join: Are you and your spouse/partner of European, non-Semitic heritage?

 

- Thank you for calling World Travel. Julie speaking. How can I help you?

- I want to book a ticket to Europe.

- I can help you with that sir.

- Good. I need to leave as soon as possible. My people are dispossessed.

- No problem Mr?

- Hilter.

- I see. Your parents were dyslexic by the sound of it. Ok Mr. Hilter. Where in Europe do you want to travel to?

- Huh?

- I asked where in Europe, do you want to go.

- I dunno. The capital of the country.

- Ah! Which country?

- Europe.

- Yes, which country do you want to go to?

- Europe.

- I am sorry. I meant which country in Europe do you want to travel to?

- Whaddya mean?

- Which country? France, Germany, England, Sweden, Spain, Italy...

- Huh?

- Do you know which country you want to travel to?

- I don't but I sure don't want to travel to any of these socialist places! France? Germany? No mam! I want to go to Europe.

- Mr. Hilter.

- Yes?

- Can I call you Adolf?

- Sure! How did you know?

- Wild guess. In any case, Europe is a continent with many countries. Do you have any idea where you want to go?

- I'm not sure. Where do white people live in Europe?

- Everywhere.

- Ok, then, where are white people rich in Europe?

- Everywhere.

- Hmmmm.

- Having trouble there, Dolf?

- I am.. I wanted to go to where all the dispossessed Europeans are.

- Dolfie. There are no dispossessed Europeans.

- But, the leader of the movement said..

- You've been lied to. How old are you?

- 29

- In this case, go back to middle school. Finish your studies, and get a degree, perhaps in any of the many European languages.

- Thank you mam, but I'm gonna stick to talking Murican. CLICK.

 

[IAMX 3,055]

10 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

My grandfather would have said there is no difference between a White Nationalist and a Nazi. It comes from the same hatred and desire to push in the same agenda in a new 'pretty package'. They idolize the things Hitler wanted and stood for, and have the same vision and plan for America. They do not love their country. They only love themselves and people like them. Promoting being white? What is there to promote? America is a nation of immigrants. A large part are people that came from other countries that happen to have white skin.. and yet we do honor those heritages and immigrants - the Irish, the Jewish, the Italians, the Greeks, the Germans etc etc etc. We are diverse now, with tons of other cultures to celebrate in addition to these. But promote one's skin tone over another? No. There is nothing superior in that, there is nothing to promote. That is inherently not what they are doing, and you know it.

 

So sorry, I'm with grandpa on this one.

"grandpa"

 

The left living in the (convenient) past.

[smilesammich 10,727]

pretty sure the white supremacists and nazis showing off on saturday didn't arrive in a flash of light and a delorean. 'convenient past' eye roll.

[yuna628 9,676]

10 minutes ago, IAMX said:

"grandpa"

 

The left living in the (convenient) past.

Yes? Would you like to see his medals, dog tags, letter the President wrote on the day of his funeral, his grave in the military cemetery? His combat group? Yes, I had a grandfather that fought to keep scum from destroying this country and the world, and fought so that you could one day sit on this forum, doubt his existence with air quotes, and call someone you don't even know a 'leftist' without knowing that to be the truth or not. I am not a 'leftist' nor am I even a registered Democrat. You can doubt that, it's a free country afterall, so you're free to keep grasping at straws to do so. It's a little tiresome though..

 

Edited April 18, 2017 by yuna628

[smilesammich 10,727]

[CaliCat 3,957]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yes? Would you like to see his medals, dog tags, letter the President wrote on the day of his funeral, his grave in the military cemetery? His combat group? Yes, I had a grandfather that fought to keep scum from destroying this country and the world, and fought so that you could one day sit on this forum, doubt his existence with air quotes, and call someone you don't even know a 'leftist' without knowing that to be the truth or not. I am not a 'leftist' nor am I even a registered Democrat.

 

 

Unfortunately that type of sacrifice means very little to many people. I think it's an American and west European thing to honor and revere the fallen.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

25 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Let's also not delve into this person's 'lectures', love of Nazi propaganda materials, the KKK, oh and umm... the love of Nazi salutes. I mean... yeah.

I was chastised soundly last night by the middle of the roaders for pointing out that the entire event was rife with these characters.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

29 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

because being white doesn't need 'promotion' as white is not oppressed. from their homepage

"WE ARE A GENERATION OF AWAKENED EUROPEANS WHO HAVE DISCOVERED THAT WE ARE PART OF THE GREAT PEOPLES, HISTORY, AND CIVILIZATION THAT FLOWED FROM THE EUROPEAN CONTINENT. WE REJECT THE IDEA THAT OUR IDENTITIES ARE MERE ABSTRACTIONS TO BE DECONSTRUCTED. WE OPPOSE THOSE WHO WOULD DEFAME OUR HISTORY AND RICH CULTURAL HERITAGE.  IN A TIME WHEN EVERY OTHER PEOPLE ARE ASSERTING THEIR IDENTITY, WITHOUT ACTION, WE WILL HAVE NO CHANCE TO RESIST OUR DISPOSSESSION."

 

this is all fine and dandy, but they need to say what they mean. hint: they're not in europe - they're in california.

 

also, from their 'application' to join: Are you and your spouse/partner of European, non-Semitic heritage?

I looked at their site but I did not delve into it because it's not my thing at all. I get some of the stuff they are saying but promoting the Alt-Right movement is just as bad as the Alt-Left and BLM groups in my opinion. They are distasteful in my book and I don't want anything to do with them I am just simple playing devil's advocate here. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

I looked at their site but I did not delve into it because it's not my thing at all. I get some of the stuff they are saying but promoting the Alt-Right movement is just as bad as the Alt-Left and BLM groups in my opinion. They are distasteful in my book and I don't want anything to do with them I am just simple playing devil's advocate here. 

So can we all agree that the folks on this thread want nothing to do with the Antifa or ALT right shinnanigans that went down on Saturday? 

[IAMX 3,055]

15 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yes? Would you like to see his medals, dog tags, letter the President wrote on the day of his funeral, his grave in the military cemetery? His combat group? Yes, I had a grandfather that fought to keep scum from destroying this country and the world, and fought so that you could one day sit on this forum, doubt his existence with air quotes, and call someone you don't even know a 'leftist' without knowing that to be the truth or not. I am not a 'leftist' nor am I even a registered Democrat. You can doubt that, it's a free country afterall, so you're free to keep grasping at straws to do so. It's a little tiresome though..

Emotional arguments do nothing for me. Leftists like to cite the past especially concerning whites as if its relevant today. Hence the talk of "Hitler", "KKK", etc. Better luck next time though.

[bcking 3,157]

42 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

I looked at some of their stuff right now and Identity Evropa does not look like Nazis, it looks like a White Nationalist Party. The same way the BLM looks like to me as well. It's like nowadays anything having to do with promoting anything to do with being white is suddenly racist and you are labelled a Nazi. I am just asking why that is?

There are a lot of similarities between "White Nationalist Parties" and "Nazi Parties".

 

Just specifically looking at this group "Identity Evropa", they require their members to be of White European AND non-semitic descent. They speak a lot about the superiority of that group of people over others. Nazis were themselves a "White Nationalist" Party.

[Teddy B 17,252]

5 minutes ago, ccneat said:

I was chastised soundly last night by the middle of the roaders for pointing out that the entire event was rife with these characters.

Spooky and myself are the only true middle of the road guys on this forum. If it wasn't either of us posting with you last night, then it was just a couple of posers.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, IAMX said:

Emotional arguments do nothing for me.  

Why are you not really part of the living world?