Police arrest at least 20 as protesters clash at pro-Trump rally in Berkeley

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

1 minute ago, bcking said:

Except the photo that has been posted clearly shows it was never thrown at him. She was still holding it when he punched her the first time.

You are using 1 photo to try and cherry pick your argument to death. We don't know the preceding seconds or minutes to this altercation at all, but you are trying to use that picture to make her a saint.

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

Ok, YOU DO NOT BRANDISH A WINE BOTTLE IN A FIGHT plain and simple. The reason why you don't do that is because it then ratchets up the escalation factor and could have lead to increased violence on both sides. That's the same reason why you don't just automatically bring out a gun/knife in a altercation because it ratchets up the escalation factor and the risk of someone getting significantly hurt by 10x.

Please show me a video of photos of when the fight started.

 

When the video starts recording (the one I posted) there is already clearly a huge fight going on with multiple people. She had the wine bottle in hand. 

 

Again I ask - Did she have it when the fight started, or did she pick it up to protect herself from a large number of people who looked to have been trying to attack her.

 

We don't know how things started. You are all interpreting the events based on some assumptions. I've already said she may very well be guilty, but she may also be innocent and I'm looking for OBJECTIVE evidence, not just personal opinion and assumptions.

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, cyberfx1024 said:

You are using 1 photo to try and cherry pick your argument to death. We don't know the preceding seconds or minutes to this altercation at all, but you are trying to use that picture to make her a saint.

You are trying to use the picture to make her not a saint...

 

How is that any different?

 

I'm not actually stating what I BELIEVE happened, I'm stating that there are alternate explanations for what happened.

 

Weren't people in this very thread discussing how certain people believe a certain thing and can't imagine that other people have different viewpoints? Seems familiar...

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

1 hour ago, bcking said:

Um...she isn't "swinging" anything in that picture. Are people really that blind?

 

Not saying it didn't happen...but that picture does not show someone "swinging a wine bottle". It shows someone holding a wine bottle (well some type of bottle? I can't really tell if it is wine specifically) being pushed by another person.

Uhh she is not swinging anything...Not saying she isn't   That was 360 deg. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

4 minutes ago, bcking said:

There has already been a discussion on this forum (different thread) about what the word "let" means and doesn't mean. Women "let" men have sex with them when the man holds a gun to their head and demands it. 

 

This is off topic though.

Your just making stuff up nobody has ever said such a ridiculous thing 

Edited April 18, 2017 by Nature Boy Flair

[bcking 3,157]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Uhh she is not swinging anything...Not saying she isn't   That was 360 deg. 

The photo had a caption saying she was "swinging" the bottle. I was responding to that because clearly the photo doesn't show that she is "swinging". The caption was written to make it seem like a bigger deal.

[Ban Hammer 13,343]

4 minutes ago, bcking said:

Except the photo that has been posted clearly shows it was never thrown at him. She was still holding it when he punched her the first time.

the wine bottle she is holding is probably made of glass.  therefore, it's probably true she didn't throw it at him. 

that does not mean she didn't throw a different one earlier.

[bcking 3,157]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Your just making stuff up

Selective memory? I believe you were part of that discussion if I recall. 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

Just now, bcking said:

Please show me a video of photos of when the fight started.

 

When the video starts recording (the one I posted) there is already clearly a huge fight going on with multiple people. She had the wine bottle in hand. 

Again I ask - Did she have it when the fight started, or did she pick it up to protect herself from a large number of people who looked to have been trying to attack her.

We don't know how things started. You are all interpreting the events based on some assumptions. I've already said she may very well be guilty, but she may also be innocent and I'm looking for OBJECTIVE evidence, not just personal opinion and assumptions.

We are both going off assumptions and what if's right now. She may not have brought the wine bottle to the march but just have picked it up to defend herself. I firmly agree with you on this, but either way she is in the wrong here and that's a fact. You don't just try to get in the middle of a fight between people that much bigger/stronger than you, then complain about getting manhandled. She was clearly itching for something to happen and when it did she got the rough end of it.

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, Ban Hammer said:

the wine bottle she is holding is probably made of glass.  therefore, it's probably true she didn't throw it at him. 

that does not mean she didn't throw a different one earlier.

Oh so now we are talking about a wine bottle that we dont' have any evidence even existed?

 

Perhaps she threw a grenade earlier? Or throwing knives? Maybe she had ninja stars? You never know? Why stop at wine bottle?

 

Talk about assumptions...

[yuna628 9,676]

37 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i hope no one set dude's murican flag boxers on fire, that would be so disrespectful to the flag covering his rear (and crotch).

Its disrespectful that the flag is anywhere on his bits... but I guess some just don't see it that way huh?

1 hour ago, eieio said:

I have special powers. I combine logic with pictures and videos.

Oh okay, so you got nothing but hyperbole then.

33 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

 

the dexterity needed to pick up a bottle while falling down is mind boggling........

Or how about she was punched repeatedly, picked up an object to defend herself and was assaulted again? I know these sorts of scenarios are discounted by some - but this thread seems to only be interested in giving Nazi fanboys props for their honesty and punching skills. You weren't there too were you?

[Ban Hammer 13,343]

Just now, bcking said:

Oh so now we are talking about a wine bottle that we dont' have any evidence even existed?

 

Perhaps she threw a grenade earlier? Or throwing knives? Maybe she had ninja stars? You never know? Why stop at wine bottle?

 

Talk about assumptions...

i'm sure she wasn't flicking paper footballs people....given her wanting scalps.

[bcking 3,157]

2 minutes ago, cyberfx1024 said:

We are both going off assumptions and what if's right now. She may not have brought the wine bottle to the march but just have picked it up to defend herself. I firmly agree with you on this, but either way she is in the wrong here and that's a fact. You don't just try to get in the middle of a fight between people that much bigger/stronger than you, then complain about getting manhandled. She was clearly itching for something to happen and when it did she got the rough end of it.

I believe they were both at fault (Woman and Blue-shirted man). I can't see the beginning of the altercation to see if there was a clear indication of who started what.

 

I think the video shows quite clearly that they had a confrontation, and then were separated (~10 seconds in the video). At that point I would consider it to have "ended". There was no reason for it to continue. However, you then see the man come back into view of the camera and head towards her. He was clearly interested in continuing the confrontation. That was on him, and he is guilty of that second punch (~25 seconds in the video), in my opinion based on the information I have.

Edited April 18, 2017 by bcking

[Ban Hammer 13,343]

Just now, yuna628 said:

Or how about she was punched repeatedly, picked up an object to defend herself and was assaulted again? I know these sorts of scenarios are discounted by some - but this thread seems to only be interested in giving Nazi fanboys props for their honesty and punching skills. You weren't there too were you?

yes, i'm sure there just happened to be an empty wine bottle nearby for her to pick up
one does not need to be there to use occam's razor.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 minute ago, bcking said:

I believe they were both at fault (Woman and Blue-shirted man). I can't see the beginning of the altercation to see if there was a clear indication of who started what.

 

I think the video shows quite clearly that they had a confrontation, and then were separated. At that point I would consider it to have "ended". There was no reason for it to continue. However, you then see the man come back into view of the camera and head towards her. He was clearly interested in continuing the confrontation. That was on him, and he is guilty of that second punch, in my opinion based on the information I have.

Mr Blue Shirt is a convicted felon.   Regardless of whether she had a bottle and "started it"  this is not going to end well for him.  Probable expulsion from school, parole violations. 

The porn star however is probably going to jump-start her video career...even though it gives me the willies.