Police arrest at least 20 as protesters clash at pro-Trump rally in Berkeley

[smilesammich 10,727]

it's quite easy to tell where a trump drone talking point emerges. go to google, type " Louise Rosealma" and "wine bottle". hit search. see where all the results come from? maga drone propaganda.

so now we're all talking about the girl who got punched holding a wine bottle instead of the mentality of these maga drones. good work r/the donald.

[eieio 1,594]

18 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

You were a live witness to these events? Or is this wishful hyperbole?

I have special powers. I combine logic with pictures and videos.

[bcking 3,157]

1 minute ago, eieio said:

I have special powers. I combine logic with pictures and videos.

So what other pictures/videos do you have from before the picture we've been discussing?

 

Videos I've seen don't include the wine bottle, so I've only seen this picture. This picture does not show that she even attempted to assault him with it, just that she was holding it.

 

I agree that there are some things that aren't quite clear. In her first hand account she never mentions the wine bottle, so clearly that should be explained. However it could have just as easily been for "defense". I mean people on the "right" brought all sorts of things to use as "defense" to the protest.

[eieio 1,594]

6 minutes ago, bcking said:

Ya I was taking another look at it and then all of a sudden my eyes refocused and I was like "Oh damn, nevermind".

 

It's like those photos of the Old Lady/Young Lady. It was very hard to see the opposite once my eyes settled on what I thought I saw.

 

EDIT:

 

In which case I just have to go back to wanting to know how the altercation started. Even if she was holding a wine bottle, you are allowed to hold a wine bottle without being assaulted. Perhaps she thought it provided "protection"? 

 

Do we only have "first hand accounts" from those involved in the altercation to say that she was attacking them? We would need unbiased reporting of who initiated the attack.

Perhaps a wine bottle is a good tool to break over some bodies head....and then use an edge to take a scalp? 

[eieio 1,594]

9 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

it's quite easy to tell where a trump drone talking point emerges. go to google, type " Louise Rosealma" and "wine bottle". hit search. see where all the results come from? maga drone propaganda.

so now we're all talking about the girl who got punched holding a wine bottle instead of the mentality of these maga drones. good work r/the donald.

Or you could just go to r/the Donald. Seems so much easier.

[bcking 3,157]

2 minutes ago, eieio said:

Perhaps a wine bottle is a good tool to break over some bodies head....and then use an edge to take a scalp? 

Again though, I'm just looking for evidence.

 

There was a lot of crazy stuff going on. I can't tell from this one picture where in the chain of events this was. She has said she was hit by multiple people. Perhaps she was already hit, saw the wine bottle, and then grabbed it to use as a defense since things were getting crazy, and then proceeded to be hit again while holding it.

 

There are scenarios in which she is guilty and there are scenarios in which she is innocent. I'm just looking for actual evidence that points to either one. A facebook post to me isn't sufficient to show that she actually assaulted someone.

Edited April 18, 2017 by bcking

[eieio 1,594]

6 minutes ago, bcking said:

So what other pictures/videos do you have from before the picture we've been discussing?

 

Videos I've seen don't include the wine bottle, so I've only seen this picture. This picture does not show that she even attempted to assault him with it, just that she was holding it.

 

I agree that there are some things that aren't quite clear. In her first hand account she never mentions the wine bottle, so clearly that should be explained. However it could have just as easily been for "defense". I mean people on the "right" brought all sorts of things to use as "defense" to the protest.

Just go the the Donald on Reddit. We don't all have the same views, but the vast majority of us just want the truth.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

58 minutes ago, eieio said:

I could post a link for you to judge, however,  there is a slight chance moderation would not approve.

 

google hairy Venus rosales

thanks I am good

[IAMX 3,055]

7 minutes ago, eieio said:

Or you could just go to r/the Donald. Seems so much easier.

I see no reason to give Reddit any of my internet traffic.

[CaliCat 3,957]

18 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

it's quite easy to tell where a trump drone talking point emerges. go to google, type " Louise Rosealma" and "wine bottle". hit search. see where all the results come from? maga drone propaganda.

so now we're all talking about the girl who got punched holding a wine bottle instead of the mentality of these maga drones. good work r/the donald.

 

And mind you, all that while she should have been at work. LOL. 

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, eieio said:

Just go the the Donald on Reddit. We don't all have the same views, but the vast majority of us just want the truth.

Sorry not to offend but a Reddit site with a giant banner of Donald Trump photos at the top wouldn't be my "go to" place for the truth. 

 

Can you not see that it clearly has a fairly strong slant? There is a clear incentive for a source like that to present information that supports a specific viewpoint.

 

To humour you though I found this video. Probably the most "complete" version of the video I've seen. They stop and zoom in at the beginning. Once again it shows her holding the bottle. Clearly though at that point there was already pandemonium going on. So again, did she have the bottle as a form of protection? The whole scenario looked like one I know I would not want to be a part of, and I would have honestly been concerned for my life/health in that situation. If I was scared enough I may look towards anything to use to protect myself.

 

Then later on it shows the blue shirted man and her. He appears to come over from the background towards the foreground. She then is looking to the left while he is off camera (presumably approaching her). It is then literally a split second but from what I can see she turned back right to face him and then was moving forward with her arms out but OPEN, perhaps in a "shoving" motion. Perhaps to get him away, or to make her way in that direction. His response to the "shove" was a full blown close fisted punch. Specifically at 25 seconds. If you pause it both of her hands are "open". She isn't going in for a punch. He is clearly winding his right arm back already at that point, though it is off camera. It is hard because a lot happens within the 24-25 second mark. To me though, she is initially looking left/away from the camera, then turns to the right as he is approaching her. He was clearly coming in from a distance. I don't see any evidence in this photo that she physically attacked this man prior to him punching her.

 

 

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

8 minutes ago, eieio said:

Or you could just go to r/the Donald. Seems so much easier.

just going to r/the donald doesn't show the full scope of the disinformation at play here - which was my intention. r/the donald is a seething echo chamber of maga - no thanks. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

And mind you, all that while she should have been at work. LOL. 

It was Saturday...are folks allowed to mix it up on Saturdays?

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

And mind you, all that while she should have been at work. LOL. 

oh but she was..thanks soros! BIG MONEY.

[eieio 1,594]

1 minute ago, IAMX said:

I see no reason to give Reddit any of my internet traffic.

You make a good point.  Basically Reddit is a branch of the dnc. Reddit has changed their algorithms so many times and changed their rules to suppress trump supporters ,it would make a communist proud.