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26 minutes ago, IAMX said:

What makes their beliefs irrational:

 

- No acknowledgement of the serious corruption of their own candidate, 100% verifiable and on Wikileaks

- No issue whatsoever with the rigged system of superdelegates and insider proof of conspiring by upper echelon officials in DNC of edging Sanders out (rather than by simple fair election) by secretly planning strategies against Sanders and withholding information from him that would put him on equal ground with Clinton

- The excessively emotional responses to things that aren't even remotely that big a deal: Trump's criticism of illegals, his private locker room talk..

- The intimation that the GOP wants to build a border wall on Canada by selectively reading interviewer questions and responses by Scott Walker, where it's clear he thinks it's laughable but the interviewer keeps pressing him on the same question after he answered

- The selective categorization of "white GOP voters vs everyone else aka Democrats" (re-read the election threads if this conveniently slips your memory)

- The overreaction to Hillary Clinton losing, the #NotMyPresident #Resist #ImStillWithHer #Cheeto etc hashtags

- Wearing snuggies and having cry-ins for your candidate losing

- The blaming of everyone else for ones own actions ("but Republicans in 2008/2009..")

- The immediate attraction to conspiracy theories (Russia hacked the power grid, Russia hacked meddled in the election, every person in Trumps cabinet that ever did business with Russia is in on the hack, every person that had a meeting with Russian officials even in government capacity were in on the hack (unless they were Democrats),  and grasping at any straws to belittle the victorious President because one is clearly upset about the election results

- The refusal to acknowledge many of the voters shared the same demographic with the people they associated with those "like themselves".. the fact that far more blacks, latinos, women, etc., voted for Trump than was expected, and the persistent reiteration that "white males" are how Trump won

- A reiteration of the above.. the incessant belief of anything the media says that agrees with this existing disposition even though they clearly explained what I said above on election day.. the left and media alike decided to forget all about that and changed the narrative to fit a positive tone of tantrum throwing, conspiracy regurgitating, etc.

- The illogical connecting of International Womens Day, Black History Month, etc., with rallies for the downtrodden or praising diversity when in reality it's just a march against Trump and continued whining about November

- The marketing of the left to that of science and logic, while acting as hilariously immature and infantile as adults can be

- The presumption that people you oppose are inherently racist, bigots, misogynists, etc., and that one has arrived as the white knight to save them (as long as they vote for your party)

 

tldr: iamx hates liberals and democrats

 

fin

 

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56 minutes ago, IAMX said:

What makes their beliefs irrational:

 

- No acknowledgement of the serious corruption of their own candidate, 100% verifiable and on Wikileaks

- No issue whatsoever with the rigged system of superdelegates and insider proof of conspiring by upper echelon officials in DNC of edging Sanders out (rather than by simple fair election) by secretly planning strategies against Sanders and withholding information from him that would put him on equal ground with Clinton

- The excessively emotional responses to things that aren't even remotely that big a deal: Trump's criticism of illegals, his private locker room talk..

- The intimation that the GOP wants to build a border wall on Canada by selectively reading interviewer questions and responses by Scott Walker, where it's clear he thinks it's laughable but the interviewer keeps pressing him on the same question after he answered

- The selective categorization of "white GOP voters vs everyone else aka Democrats" (re-read the election threads if this conveniently slips your memory)

- The overreaction to Hillary Clinton losing, the #NotMyPresident #Resist #ImStillWithHer #Cheeto etc hashtags

- Wearing snuggies and having cry-ins for your candidate losing

- The blaming of everyone else for ones own actions ("but Republicans in 2008/2009..")

- The immediate attraction to conspiracy theories (Russia hacked the power grid, Russia hacked meddled in the election, every person in Trumps cabinet that ever did business with Russia is in on the hack, every person that had a meeting with Russian officials even in government capacity were in on the hack (unless they were Democrats),  and grasping at any straws to belittle the victorious President because one is clearly upset about the election results

- The refusal to acknowledge many of the voters shared the same demographic with the people they associated with those "like themselves".. the fact that far more blacks, latinos, women, etc., voted for Trump than was expected, and the persistent reiteration that "white males" are how Trump won

- A reiteration of the above.. the incessant belief of anything the media says that agrees with this existing disposition even though they clearly explained what I said above on election day.. the left and media alike decided to forget all about that and changed the narrative to fit a positive tone of tantrum throwing, conspiracy regurgitating, etc.

- The illogical connecting of International Womens Day, Black History Month, etc., with rallies for the downtrodden or praising diversity when in reality it's just a march against Trump and continued whining about November

- The marketing of the left to that of science and logic, while acting as hilariously immature and infantile as adults can be

- The presumption that people you oppose are inherently racist, bigots, misogynists, etc., and that one has arrived as the white knight to save them (as long as they vote for your party)

 

I've only really been involved in politics since I turned 18 and registered to vote (DTS), 16 years ago. While few of my views have changed (global warming being really the only main one) over time, the left have completely changed regarding: Free speech, separation of science from politics, open government, globalization, corporatism, corruption, and numerous other issues. Coincidentally, their views have devolved to fit the Democratic Party's narrative, and adopted this idea that they're owed success, using hard workers like Martin Luther King not as symbols of what they preached, such as judgement by character, but endlessly crying about white males and judging criteria clearly based on race, rather than character. Merely the tip of the iceberg. Bottom line is, they've regressed to acting like fanatical children.

Look, I'm sure all of your points can apply to certain people.

 

However, my issue is with the fact that you tend to just say "the left does this...." or "the left think this...". I can guarantee you that all of those points don't apply to everyone, and honestly it would be difficult to even know how many.

 

We could make a similar damning list of things that "the right" thinks/does that wouldn't apply to everyone on the right, but would look pretty bad.

 

As for a few of the points:

 

"- No acknowledgement of the serious corruption of their own candidate, 100% verifiable and on Wikileaks"

              - For something to be "100% verifiable" you need to be able to have more than one source for the information. So something on Wikileaks has to be confirmed by at least another source/outlet that isn't just requoting wikileaks. Ideally more than one other. I'm not saying the stuff isn't true, but I wouldn't say that it is "100% verifiable" just because wikileaks reported it. 

 

"- No issue whatsoever with the rigged system of superdelegates and insider proof of conspiring by upper echelon officials in DNC of edging Sanders out (rather than by simple fair election) by secretly planning strategies against Sanders and withholding information from him that would put him on equal ground with Clinton"

               - Perfect example of my above point. I know MANY people on "the left" that do have an issue with that. So you can't just say "the left has no issue ...". Some do, some don't. We aren't one single giant "hivemind".

 

"- The excessively emotional responses to things that aren't even remotely that big a deal: Trump's criticism of illegals, his private locker room talk.."

                - What isn't a big deal to you may be a big deal to others. There is no set concrete definition of "a big deal". You may not care about how he speaks in a locker room, but other people are free to consider it a "big deal" if they prefer. 

 

"- The intimation that the GOP wants to build a border wall on Canada by selectively reading interviewer questions and responses by Scott Walker, where it's clear he thinks it's laughable but the interviewer keeps pressing him on the same question after he answered"

                 - Another great example of my overarching point. That is a very small group of people. I dont' know anyone who thinks that the GOP wants to build a border wall on Canada. A border wall along Canada would go against the core driving reasons for why the GOP want a Mexican border wall.

 

"- The overreaction to Hillary Clinton losing, the #NotMyPresident #Resist #ImStillWithHer #Cheeto etc hashtags"

                 - Once again a subset of the population. There were many of us that said from the beginning that he is our President. We don't have to like him, but he is our President.

 

"- The blaming of everyone else for ones own actions ("but Republicans in 2008/2009..")"

                 - As I've already mentioned, not really specific to Democrats. That's a favorite passtime of Republicans as well.

 

"- The refusal to acknowledge many of the voters shared the same demographic with the people they associated with those "like themselves".. the fact that far more blacks, latinos, women, etc., voted for Trump than was expected, and the persistent reiteration that "white males" are how Trump won"

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

 

Trump obtained 8% of black voters, compared to Romney at 6% - Not what I would consider "far more"

Trump obtained 42% support among women, lower than Romney who had 44%

Trump obtained 43% support among college graduates, lower than Romney who had 48% (and the Clinton/Trump margin was the widest in 3 decades)

Trump obtained 28% of the latino vote, compared to Romney who obtained 27% - Not what I would consider "far more", but again maybe our definitions differ

 

Sorry but....facts do exist on these things.

 

Once again, if you'd like I'm sure we could come up with a similar list of crazy sh** that some Republicans represent, that obviously doesn't apply to all. That isn't really helpful since "the left" and "the right" are two groups where there is 100% agreement within each one. You don't seem to understand that.

 

 

Edited April 14, 2017 by bcking

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15 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

tldr: iamx hates liberals and democrats

 

fin

 

In other words anyone that disagrees with a certain world viewpoint is thereby insane and irrational and even evil (same ideas can be found on the other side too). Because America isn't founded or based on dissenting or freedom of opinions, differing parties, perspectives, and worldviews... it's not a democratic constitutional republic either.. no, it's based on the worldview of one perspective on a religion, and one political party seeking to restore America to it's 'proper place' - Puritan Theocracy.

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11 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Puritan Theocracy.

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1 hour ago, bcking said:

Look, I'm sure all of your points can apply to certain people.

 

However, my issue is with the fact that you tend to just say "the left does this...." or "the left think this...". I can guarantee you that all of those points don't apply to everyone, and honestly it would be difficult to even know how many.

 

We could make a similar damning list of things that "the right" thinks/does that wouldn't apply to everyone on the right, but would look pretty bad.

 

As for a few of the points:

 

"- No acknowledgement of the serious corruption of their own candidate, 100% verifiable and on Wikileaks"

              - For something to be "100% verifiable" you need to be able to have more than one source for the information. So something on Wikileaks has to be confirmed by at least another source/outlet that isn't just requoting wikileaks. Ideally more than one other. I'm not saying the stuff isn't true, but I wouldn't say that it is "100% verifiable" just because wikileaks reported it. 

 

"- No issue whatsoever with the rigged system of superdelegates and insider proof of conspiring by upper echelon officials in DNC of edging Sanders out (rather than by simple fair election) by secretly planning strategies against Sanders and withholding information from him that would put him on equal ground with Clinton"

               - Perfect example of my above point. I know MANY people on "the left" that do have an issue with that. So you can't just say "the left has no issue ...". Some do, some don't. We aren't one single giant "hivemind".

 

"- The excessively emotional responses to things that aren't even remotely that big a deal: Trump's criticism of illegals, his private locker room talk.."

                - What isn't a big deal to you may be a big deal to others. There is no set concrete definition of "a big deal". You may not care about how he speaks in a locker room, but other people are free to consider it a "big deal" if they prefer. 

 

"- The intimation that the GOP wants to build a border wall on Canada by selectively reading interviewer questions and responses by Scott Walker, where it's clear he thinks it's laughable but the interviewer keeps pressing him on the same question after he answered"

                 - Another great example of my overarching point. That is a very small group of people. I dont' know anyone who thinks that the GOP wants to build a border wall on Canada. A border wall along Canada would go against the core driving reasons for why the GOP want a Mexican border wall.

 

"- The overreaction to Hillary Clinton losing, the #NotMyPresident #Resist #ImStillWithHer #Cheeto etc hashtags"

                 - Once again a subset of the population. There were many of us that said from the beginning that he is our President. We don't have to like him, but he is our President.

 

"- The blaming of everyone else for ones own actions ("but Republicans in 2008/2009..")"

                 - As I've already mentioned, not really specific to Democrats. That's a favorite passtime of Republicans as well.

 

"- The refusal to acknowledge many of the voters shared the same demographic with the people they associated with those "like themselves".. the fact that far more blacks, latinos, women, etc., voted for Trump than was expected, and the persistent reiteration that "white males" are how Trump won"

 

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

 

Trump obtained 8% of black voters, compared to Romney at 6% - Not what I would consider "far more"

Trump obtained 42% support among women, lower than Romney who had 44%

Trump obtained 43% support among college graduates, lower than Romney who had 48% (and the Clinton/Trump margin was the widest in 3 decades)

Trump obtained 28% of the latino vote, compared to Romney who obtained 27% - Not what I would consider "far more", but again maybe our definitions differ

 

Sorry but....facts do exist on these things.

 

Once again, if you'd like I'm sure we could come up with a similar list of crazy sh** that some Republicans represent, that obviously doesn't apply to all. That isn't really helpful since "the left" and "the right" are two groups where there is 100% agreement within each one. You don't seem to understand that.

 

 

All valid . rational counterpoints EXCEPT you are labeled and irrational liberal and there is no chance you have a logical bone in your body. 

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Just now, ccneat said:

All valid . rational counterpoints EXCEPT you are labeled and irrational liberal and there is no chance you have a logical bone in your body. 

Ya my favorite is when you actually give real data and are still considered "irrational and illogical" with no actual data to refute your claim.

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2 minutes ago, bcking said:

Ya my favorite is when you actually give real data and are still considered "irrational and illogical" with no actual data to refute your claim.