BUSTED: Trump caught blatantly lying about whether he knew Steve Bannon before the 2016 campaign

[bcking 3,157]

12 minutes ago, ccneat said:

didn't we determine TPM and Poltifact were fake news ? 

Fake news isn't defined by the source.

 

It's defined by whether it is pointing out something negative or contradictory about Trump.

 

Only then it is fake news. Any website is capable of doing it. 

[OriZ 3,157]

23 minutes ago, ccneat said:

didn't we determine TPM and Poltifact were fake news ? 

Sarcasm aside, I actually worked a little backwards here. I remembered myself(since there was quite the discussion about memory in this thread, I happen to have a pretty good one) that he said at first he's met Putin and knows him and then said he doesn't, so I looked for links that corroborate my memory. So I'm quite certain that's not fake news, at least in this particular case.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

48 minutes ago, bcking said:

Fake news isn't defined by the source.

 

It's defined by whether it is pointing out something negative or contradictory about Trump.

 

Only then it is fake news. Any website is capable of doing it. 

Noted

[Inikamoze 86]

Regardless of whether he met him, had a drink down the pub with him or was his best man... (9 times on his radio show and he hasn't a clue who he is? Seriously give us some credit!) it's clear Trump wants to distance himself from Bannon... the question is why?

had enough of the burn down the establishment BS Bannon brings with him, useful during the campaign but not palatable now.

No chance he's going to choose Bannon over his son in law.

 

its clear with the 180 turnarounds of late he's getting a grasp of how things in the political world work which is a good thing. It means his "thinking" won't be in the fringes of decency that a nation can expect so give him plaudits for acknowledging that at least!

Shows how he will use people to get what he wants though.

 

The problem even with this "positive" shift from the right is that you can't accurately predict his position on so many fundamental policies. At some point or other during his business career he's taken stances that rightly were to his advantage. Call that flexibility, but not being able to predict his idealogy is cause for concern as he's prone to being influenced. Who by is the danger...

 

At least he's living the big boy decisions to people who have had a lifetime in the military (maybe has been schooled on the fact he does not know more than the generals). 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, Inikamoze said:

Regardless of whether he met him, had a drink down the pub with him or was his best man... (9 times on his radio show and he hasn't a clue who he is? Seriously give us some credit!) it's clear Trump wants to distance himself from Bannon... the question is why?

had enough of the burn down the establishment BS Bannon brings with him, useful during the campaign but not palatable now.

No chance he's going to choose Bannon over his son in law.

 

its clear with the 180 turnarounds of late he's getting a grasp of how things in the political world work which is a good thing. It means his "thinking" won't be in the fringes of decency that a nation can expect so give him plaudits for acknowledging that at least!

Shows how he will use people to get what he wants though.

 

The problem even with this "positive" shift from the right is that you can't accurately predict his position on so many fundamental policies. At some point or other during his business career he's taken stances that rightly were to his advantage. Call that flexibility, but not being able to predict his idealogy is cause for concern as he's prone to being influenced. Who by is the danger...

 

At least he's living the big boy decisions to people who have had a lifetime in the military (maybe has been schooled on the fact he does not know more than the generals). 

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/04/donald-trump-stephen-schwarzman-gary-cohn

 

IS WALL STREET TRYING TO BURY BANNON?

The global financial elites have officially taken over the West Wing asylum.

 

BY 

• BESS LEVIN

APRIL 13, 2017 6:12 PM

 

Up until about a month ago, White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon appeared to be the most powerful person in the U.S. government, second only to President Donald J. Trump. Bannon’s right-wing, nationalist, anti-immigration, anti-establishment influence seemed apparent in everything coming out of the White House, from Trump’s hastily written travel ban to his harsh rhetoric toward China and Mexico, Trump’s borderline antagonistic attitude toward NATO, and his appointment of agency heads seemingly designed to dismantle the agencies they were tasked with leading (looking at you, Scott Pruitt, Betsy DeVos, Rick Perry, Ben Carson). The media was captivated by Bannon’s Svengali-like mystique—his propensity to quote obscure fascist philosophers; his dark, apocalyptic intimations of a coming clash of civilizations; his grandiose pledge to begin the “deconstruction of the administrative state.” Time magazine put a brooding photo of Bannon on its cover next to the headline, “The Great Manipulator.”

Over the last few weeks, however, things have begun to shift. Bannon was removed from the National Security Council, a move that was widely viewed as a demotion for the former Breitbart executive. He has reportedly clashed with the president’s moderate son-in-law, Jared Kushner, setting up an intra-West Wing civil war that Bannon and his right-wing acolytes appear to be losing. Amid swirling rumors that Bannon was on the outs and that Trump was considering a staff shake-up, the president refused to say if he still backs his chief strategist, commenting only that while he “like Steve,” you “have to remember he was not involved in [the] campaign until very late.” He may as well have thrown him out the cabin door of Air Force One. Meanwhile, the president appears to have reversed his stance on a variety of issues, breaking with Bannon on everything from NATO (actually, it’s no longer obsolete) to China (not currency manipulators, after all).

This shift has been attributed primarily to Kushner, Ivanka Trump, and the other New York establishmentarians who seem ascendant these days, including former Goldman Sachs president Gary Cohn and former Goldman Sachs partner Dina Powell, who was recently installed on the N.S.C. But members of the Close Personal Friends of Lloyd Blankfein club aren’t the only finance people pulling Trump away from Bannonism. Private-equity guru Stephen Schwarzman, who chairs the president’s Strategic and Policy Forum, is apparently also playing a growing role, according to Politico:

The C.E.O. of Blackstone Group, who has known Trump for years, has become so close to the president that the two sometimes talk several times a week, covering everything from Chinese trade to tax policy to immigration. White House and New York business officials say Schwarzman was critical to Trump keeping the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, also known as the Dreamers program, with Trump making the decision after a call with the hedge-fund billionaire. The two also recently chatted at Mar-a-Lago about a possible reorganization of the White House, two people familiar with the meeting say, though the conversation didn't include specific names.

Schwarzman's growing influence in Trump's circle is welcome news to New York business leaders and moderate Republicans, who want the president to abandon his nationalist positions and embrace a more nonideological White House amid lagging poll ratings and infighting dominating the West Wing. In private conversations, a number of Trump's friends have told him he could be more popular—and accomplish more—if he embraced a moderate streak and listened to his business friends. Jared Kushner, the president's son-in-law, is trying to orchestrate more power for New York business types, particularly National Economic Council Director Gary Cohn, while diminishing the power of chief strategist Steve Bannon, who drives the populist wing of the White House.

One executive in regular contact with West Wing officials said it’s encouraging that Trump appears to be embracing more pragmatic allies. “It seems like he’s relying now on nonideological people like Gary who have business experience and just know how to execute and get stuff done,” the executive said.

 

[Inikamoze 86]

Aaaaaaaand the Status Quo returns to DC!

Flip flopping on draining the swamp too?

[eieio 1,594]

Trump lied......snowflakes cried.

[Inikamoze 86]

39 minutes ago, eieio said:

Trump lied......snowflakes cried.

Feel proud of the Dissimulator in Chief?

 

Conveniently set aside any notion of what it takes to hold the office and yes character does matter as much as experience. Kind of let's you know if a person has the right aptitude for the job.

Do you believe that the true Republicans are actually proud of this man (or swallowing their own bile, as at least they are in power). All Past presidents would be honoured to stand shoulder to shoulder with him?

Yes many many of them had their flaws for sure but the Incredulous behaviour is being taken to new heights.

 

If the only glee you have is rubbing it in the face of every Democrat for losing it's sad. Rather than looking at this objectively in terms of him actually being able to carry out the job with dignity without the weekly foot in mouth comments then you would at least get credit for that.

 

I've said before I don't have political affiliations and accept he's sitting in that seat for now. Whether he should be or deserves to be a very different questions. How his supporters can blindly ignore that is the part that still puzzles me. For the reason to be only to rile up opposition supporters is a little petty.

 

His objectors have at least come with countless factual statements proving he lies, deceived his supporters by flip flopping or failing to deliver on some (quite important) day one policy promises etc etc.

 

To set the bar so low is an indictment on the nation and I hope in years to come it's one that this land vows never to fall to.

Edited April 14, 2017 by Inikamoze

[IAMX 3,055]

3 hours ago, eieio said:

Trump lied......snowflakes cried.

It's like Seattle.. never stops pouring. (or at least hasn't since the 2nd week of November) 

Edited April 14, 2017 by IAMX

[Inikamoze 86]

I'm sure you think it's funny to antogonise those "fools on the left" with the snowflakes, sore loser jibes, you must think that every quote heard against Trump is a direct assertion that him and his supporters are the real fools too, however all I see are countless people using his own remarks to argue the case for his incompetency and how unsuitable he is to the role as the president.

 

Are people really foregoing the history this office holds in this nations very conscious?

I agree there is little to be had in whining but you can almost quote him daily as to why more than half the nation think in negative terms of him. He does it to himself.

 

We are are the lowest point in regards to relations with Russia... really? He's old enough to remember the Cuban missive crises, the 70's and 80's Iron Curtain.... The chief shouldn't need advisors whispering a quick history lesson before he speaks (in this case it might have helped).

 

When he hits upon a policy that directly affects you unfavourabley, then come back on with the rolling on the floor emojis stating he's the man in charge and whatever negative impact there is on you, it's for the greater good of the country. I will certainly applaud you at that point that is for sure.

 

Unless of course you are comfortable in all his policies (known,make up as I go along or unknown) because you have a seat at the top table, the top 1%? He'll be looking out for his chums that is certain. Although I can see him creating a special tax for any owner of the Dallas Mavericks as Mark Cuban is one that has called him out regularly on his business credentials and temperament. 

[eieio 1,594]

6 hours ago, Inikamoze said:

Feel proud of the Dissimulator in Chief?

 

Conveniently set aside any notion of what it takes to hold the office and yes character does matter as much as experience. Kind of let's you know if a person has the right aptitude for the job.

Do you believe that the true Republicans are actually proud of this man (or swallowing their own bile, as at least they are in power). All Past presidents would be honoured to stand shoulder to shoulder with him?

Yes many many of them had their flaws for sure but the Incredulous behaviour is being taken to new heights.

 

If the only glee you have is rubbing it in the face of every Democrat for losing it's sad. Rather than looking at this objectively in terms of him actually being able to carry out the job with dignity without the weekly foot in mouth comments then you would at least get credit for that.

 

I've said before I don't have political affiliations and accept he's sitting in that seat for now. Whether he should be or deserves to be a very different questions. How his supporters can blindly ignore that is the part that still puzzles me. For the reason to be only to rile up opposition supporters is a little petty.

 

His objectors have at least come with countless factual statements proving he lies, deceived his supporters by flip flopping or failing to deliver on some (quite important) day one policy promises etc etc.

 

To set the bar so low is an indictment on the nation and I hope in years to come it's one that this land vows never to fall to.

No Russia?

 

We are making progress.

[IAMX 3,055]

4 hours ago, eieio said:

No Russia?

 

We are making progress.

I don't think so... all those years of liberals getting their way has led to the belief of entitlement, hence why they can't lose with dignity and need to blame everything under the sun but themselves for supporting a candidate that targeted and alienated a good portion of Obama voters turning them into Trump voters. All this outrage nowhere to be found regarding the clear rigging of their own primaries. It's clear political marketing is overwhelmingly successful on this bunch. That's what happens when they're overly influenced by emotions and social justice rather than logic. 

Edited April 14, 2017 by IAMX

[bcking 3,157]

25 minutes ago, IAMX said:

I don't think so... all those years of liberals getting their way has led to the belief of entitlement, hence why they can't lose with dignity and need to blame everything under the sun but themselves for supporting a candidate that targeted and alienated a good portion of Obama voters turning them into Trump voters. All this outrage nowhere to be found regarding the clear rigging of their own primaries. It's clear political marketing is overwhelmingly successful on this bunch. That's what happens when they're overly influenced by emotions and social justice rather than logic. 

"Blaming everything under the sun but themselves" happens from pretty much every politician, regardless of where they are on the spectrum.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

27 minutes ago, IAMX said:

I don't think so... all those years of liberals getting their way has led to the belief of entitlement, hence why they can't lose with dignity and need to blame everything under the sun but themselves for supporting a candidate that targeted and alienated a good portion of Obama voters turning them into Trump voters. All this outrage nowhere to be found regarding the clear rigging of their own primaries. It's clear political marketing is overwhelmingly successful on this bunch. That's what happens when they're overly influenced by emotions and social justice rather than logic. 

Wha is hilarious is your irattional belief that those who don't agree with you are irrational. People have belief systems and value systems. This colors which data they consume and which data the ignore.  This is not restricted to one group.

Edited April 14, 2017 by ccneat

[IAMX 3,055]

43 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Wha is hilarious is your irattional belief that those who don't agree with you are irrational. People have belief systems and value systems. This colors which data they consume and which data the ignore.  This is not restricted to one group.

What makes their beliefs irrational:

 

- No acknowledgement of the serious corruption of their own candidate, 100% verifiable and on Wikileaks

- No issue whatsoever with the rigged system of superdelegates and insider proof of conspiring by upper echelon officials in DNC of edging Sanders out (rather than by simple fair election) by secretly planning strategies against Sanders and withholding information from him that would put him on equal ground with Clinton

- The excessively emotional responses to things that aren't even remotely that big a deal: Trump's criticism of illegals, his private locker room talk..

- The intimation that the GOP wants to build a border wall on Canada by selectively reading interviewer questions and responses by Scott Walker, where it's clear he thinks it's laughable but the interviewer keeps pressing him on the same question after he answered

- The selective categorization of "white GOP voters vs everyone else aka Democrats" (re-read the election threads if this conveniently slips your memory)

- The overreaction to Hillary Clinton losing, the #NotMyPresident #Resist #ImStillWithHer #Cheeto etc hashtags

- Wearing snuggies and having cry-ins for your candidate losing

- The blaming of everyone else for ones own actions ("but Republicans in 2008/2009..")

- The immediate attraction to conspiracy theories (Russia hacked the power grid, Russia hacked meddled in the election, every person in Trumps cabinet that ever did business with Russia is in on the hack, every person that had a meeting with Russian officials even in government capacity were in on the hack (unless they were Democrats),  and grasping at any straws to belittle the victorious President because one is clearly upset about the election results

- The refusal to acknowledge many of the voters shared the same demographic with the people they associated with those "like themselves".. the fact that far more blacks, latinos, women, etc., voted for Trump than was expected, and the persistent reiteration that "white males" are how Trump won

- A reiteration of the above.. the incessant belief of anything the media says that agrees with this existing disposition even though they clearly explained what I said above on election day.. the left and media alike decided to forget all about that and changed the narrative to fit a positive tone of tantrum throwing, conspiracy regurgitating, etc.

- The illogical connecting of International Womens Day, Black History Month, etc., with rallies for the downtrodden or praising diversity when in reality it's just a march against Trump and continued whining about November

- The marketing of the left to that of science and logic, while acting as hilariously immature and infantile as adults can be

- The presumption that people you oppose are inherently racist, bigots, misogynists, etc., and that one has arrived as the white knight to save them (as long as they vote for your party)

 

I've only really been involved in politics since I turned 18 and registered to vote (DTS), 16 years ago. While few of my views have changed (global warming being really the only main one) over time, the left have completely changed regarding: Free speech, separation of science from politics, open government, globalization, corporatism, corruption, and numerous other issues. Coincidentally, their views have devolved to fit the Democratic Party's narrative, and adopted this idea that they're owed success, using hard workers like Martin Luther King not as symbols of what they preached, such as judgement by character, but endlessly crying about white males and judging criteria clearly based on race, rather than character. Merely the tip of the iceberg. Bottom line is, they've regressed to acting like fanatical children.

Edited April 14, 2017 by IAMX