Ivanka Trump Was Wrong to Meet With Planned Parenthood Exec

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

Assuming PP actually does use federal funding to provide their abortion services (that is an entirely different discussion/argument),

 

It is FEDERAL funding. Not state funding. I don't care what the states think, it is the federal governments business.

 

So the better "letter-based" explanation is:

 

B provides a service

A doesn't like B providing that service, but can't actually limit the funding that B gets

 

therefore

 

A passes restrictions to the SERVICE, not to B directly

 

You are blaming B in that scenario. Which is just wrong. There is no logical framework that makes it right, I'm sorry. This is why I stated the discussion is essentially over. We have different frameworks for how we think the world functions and who we blame. I blame the person who does it, I don't look to pass the buck on to someone else. I believe in people owning up to the decisions they make. 

 

The state legislators should be "proud" of what they have done, since the chose to do it. They shouldn't blame some organization that they don't like. I've said it before and I continue to believe it - That is childish. I also don't actually think the state legislators even think it is PP's fault. I just think you do.

 

I actually need to do some work before bed so now I promise I will leave it at that. You can respond however you like. Doesn't change the fact that when all is said and done we are all responsible for the decisions we make and the choices we make. Blaming someone else is cowardly and childish. You can continue to work with that framework if you'd like.

I'm fully aware that a state is responsible for legislation it passes, but be aware that it also includes voter initiatives and state constitutional amendments (voted on just like initiatives). Stating though that a state is responsible for what it passes is like saying I'm responsible if I drive my car into a group of people. It's so obvious it's not worth recognizing. 

 

Clearly though some people do not consider all elements in an equation, even though to make an informed decision, one should. Unless you're a spokesman for Planned Parenthood, their actions that cause states to change their laws should matter quite a lot. It's essentially a liberal organization shooting itself in the foot because 1) it doesn't want to compromise, and 2) it's had such established standing despite using public funds for abortions that defunding efforts haven't materialized into any tangible threat. Now that more undercover videos done by Project Veritas and others have surfaced showing how screwed up that organization is, it's shown that this organization has abused its standing and no longer deserves a single penny of taxpayer funds. My advice to them is, divest the company, separate the part that performs abortions from the one that does the rest. The "rest" can still justify taxpayer funds. Abortions would be paid entirely with private funds, whether it be people billed, or charity funding. It's a good time for rich leftists, especially the big mouths on social media, to put their money where their mouth is. However, my advice is based on assessing the entire situation, Planned Parenthood clearly wants what they want, and they're gonna pay for it, hurting women along with themselves.