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[IAMX 3,055]

22 minutes ago, bcking said:

The swearing I can imagine would be hard. The sexism seems pretty easy to me. For me there is nothing "natural" about joking about breasts or vaginas or sexual conquests etc... 

 

[Teddy B 17,252]

43 minutes ago, bcking said:

Just general swearing is fine. It's all social construct anyway. In some communities the words are essentially like saying "um" between words. People don't even know they are doing it. "I really f***ing want to f***ing go to the f***ing bar right now!" ... You can just remove the f bombs and the sentence reads the same. 

 

Being in a group of guys and specifically talking about, and objectifying, women is not appropriate. It doesn't matter how often it happens, and in what age groups. It is never appropriate. It can be "mildly excused" when they are teenagers who don't know any better. There is really no excuse once you are an adult.

 

And again - just because a lot of people do it, doesn't make it okay. Whether something is the "right thing" or not is independent of how many people do it. 

Anyone who swears that much has a problem. Any guy that freely swears in front of women is disrespectful.

[IAMX 3,055]

1 minute ago, Teddy B said:

Anyone who swears that much has a problem. Any guy that freely swears in front of women is disrespectful.

Are women fragile? 

[Teddy B 17,252]

Just now, IAMX said:

Are women fragile? 

That has nothing to do with my statement.

[IAMX 3,055]

1 minute ago, Teddy B said:

That has nothing to do with my statement.

So yes they are. Thank you for your candor. 

Edited April 12, 2017 by IAMX

[bcking 3,157]

4 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

Anyone who swears that much has a problem. Any guy that freely swears in front of women is disrespectful.

If it's nonspecific swearing i don't think the issue is disrespect. Like i said there are certain communities and cultures where that is just normal, men and women. The words aren't used for their meaning, they are fillers.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Just now, IAMX said:

So yes they are. 

I just love the amount of internet mind readers that find discussion boards.

[bcking 3,157]

1 minute ago, IAMX said:

So yes they are. Thank you for your candor. 

Sorry what?

 

How does not answering your question mean that he agrees? 

[Teddy B 17,252]

7 minutes ago, bcking said:

If it's nonspecific swearing i don't think the issue is disrespect. Like i said there are certain communities and cultures where that is just normal, men and women. The words aren't used for their meaning, they are fillers.

I disagree, swearing in front of women is both disrespectful and lazy. If you can't make the effort to speak properly in mixed company, then you are both lazy and disrespectful, the only other option is you are not intelligent enough to do so. If you can't help but swear in front of women then there is something else going there. Swearing in front of women may be acceptable in some cultures, but in US culture it's not for the most part.

 

I don't even like swearing in conversation with other men. Use your mind and speak intelligently.

Edited April 12, 2017 by Teddy B

[smilesammich 10,727]

9 minutes ago, IAMX said:

So yes they are. Thank you for your candor. 

love how youre trying do belittle anyone who you've determined doesn't carry themselves the way you choose to carry yourself. seems like a personal insecurity.

[bcking 3,157]

3 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

I disagree, swearing in front of women is both disrespectful and lazy. If you can't make the effort to speak properly in mixed company, then you are both lazy and disrespectful, the only other option is you are not intelligent enough to do so. If you can't help but swear in front of women then there is something else going there. Swearing in front of women may be acceptable in some cultures, but in US culture it's not for the most part. Swearing in general isn't accepted by most people in US culture.

I agree with regards to my social circle, I'm just saying that in some communities it is so engrained for men and women it is difficult to pass the same judgment. In my opinion at least. People don't even realise they are using the words. I hate it, but i cant get angry at them because they can't help it.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Just now, bcking said:

I agree with regards to my social circle, I'm just saying that in some communities it is so engrained for men and women it is difficult to pass the same judgment. In my opinion at least. People don't even realise they are using the words. I hate it, but i cant get angry at them because they can't help it.

I don't get angry, I just distance myself from those people. It does bug the heck out of me when I'm out with my wife and some clown within earshot is throwing around f-bombs. If it continues long enough, I will say something.

[smilesammich 10,727]

i cuss a lot, profanity is my first language.. posting here is a challenge for me.

but when i'm in front of my grandma, or mom. or dad. basically anyone older than me or not yet an adult - i watch my mouth.

but cussing and sexual assault aren't even on the same spectrum. 

[IAMX 3,055]

6 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

I disagree, swearing in front of women is both disrespectful and lazy. If you can't make the effort to speak properly in mixed company, then you are both lazy and disrespectful, the only other option is you are not intelligent enough to do so. If you can't help but swear in front of women then there is something else going there. Swearing in front of women may be acceptable in some cultures, but in US culture it's not for the most part.

 

I don't even like swearing in conversation with other men. Use your mind and speak intelligently.

So where in US culture are women so fragile they deserve this special treatment? Where I lived a good chunk of my life (SF) women swear more than guys. What then? 

[Teddy B 17,252]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

i cuss a lot, profanity is my first language.. posting here is a challenge for me.

but when i'm in front of my grandma, or mom. or dad. basically anyone older than me or not yet an adult - i watch my mouth.

but cussing and sexual assault aren't even on the same spectrum. 

What you or anyone else does in their own circle is fine as long as everyone is on the same page and no one is getting hurt. But you show respect to your elders or in mixed company, that's what I'm talking about.