After Syria Gas Attack, World Awaits What Kind of Leader Trump Will Be

[bcking 3,157]

On 4/5/2017 at 10:02 AM, smilesammich said:

oh man, trumps tweets are simply invaluable..

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/politics/fact-check-trump-syria-obama.html?_r=0

 

In more than a dozen messages on Twitter in 2013 and 2014, Mr. Trump repeated his advice, emphatically stating that “Syria is NOT our problem,” appealing directly to Mr. Obama to “not attack Syria” as “there is no upside and tremendous downside” and telling him to “stay out of Syria.”

Don't forget he also said that Obama had to get congressional approval if he wanted to do anything.

[bcking 3,157]

On 4/5/2017 at 3:31 PM, ccneat said:

 

 

"I think the Obama administration had a great opportunity to solve this crisis a long time ago when he said the red line in the sand," Trump said at the White House. "And when he didn't cross that line after making the threat, I think that set us back a long ways, not only in Syria, but in many other parts of the world, because it was a blank threat. I think it was something that was not one of our better days as a country

Trump's wonderfully selective amnesia. He forgot that he was among those who were telling Obama not to cross the red line.

[Dakine10 5,452]

On 4/6/2017 at 8:59 PM, eieio said:

Looks like my guess that Assad was not responsible was wrong....at least I hope I was wrong. Trump does not fool around when it comes to bad guys. 

  He fooled around a little bit with his non interventionist rhetoric. Not sure if you listened to him or not when he was campaigning, maybe you didn't, but this would be a flip flop on foreign policy.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

3 hours ago, Dakine10 said:

  He fooled around a little bit with his non interventionist rhetoric. Not sure if you listened to him or not when he was campaigning, maybe you didn't, but this would be a flip flop on foreign policy.

Flip flop is his policy. No policy is his policy.  Why would you need a policy when you feel your instincts and sense of righteousness will get you better results than any other President (except Lincoln and Jackson).  He just gets up and drives his agenda for that moment based on what is on the 24hour news channels.  Believe me.

[eieio 1,594]

He is flexible. Adapts to the current situation and new information. Another sign of a great leader.

[bcking 3,157]

3 minutes ago, eieio said:

He is flexible. Adapts to the current situation and new information. Another sign of a great leader.

Except when the "new information" is only really new to the "leader", and not everyone else.

 

Then he is just a slow leader.

 

"No on ever knew everything was complicated!" Sorry Donald, we've known for a long time. He's just playing catch up.

[eieio 1,594]

If you consider him slow.....Obama must have been going in reverse.

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, eieio said:

If you consider him slow.....Obama must have been going in reverse.

Obama supported intervention and was told by Trump and others he needed congressional approval. He then proceeded to not get it from who? Oh ya, those who are now standing behind Trump.

 

Who is slow on the uptake again? Do we need to go through all the Republican congressmen (and Trump) and what they all said 2-3 years ago about Syria?

 

Yes chemical weapons are horrible. What Assad was doing to civilians before this was also horrible. Maybe chemical attacks are worse, but either way people were dying. Families were dying. Children were dying.

 

It was politically convenient at the time to disagree with the President about intervention. Now it is convenient to support something that, if it is even the right thing, is at least 2 years late. 

 

I can't help but laugh at Trump and his supporters and the utter ignorance.

[Dakine10 5,452]

43 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Flip flop is his policy. No policy is his policy.  Why would you need a policy when you feel your instincts and sense of righteousness will get you better results than any other President (except Lincoln and Jackson).  He just gets up and drives his agenda for that moment based on what is on the 24hour news channels.  Believe me.

  Well his stated policy, at any rate. The flip flop from which some of his followers are concerned. 

[bcking 3,157]

16 minutes ago, eieio said:

If you consider him slow.....Obama must have been going in reverse.

Trump in 2013:

 

"What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval."

 

"The President must get Congressional approval before attacking Syria-big mistake if he does not!"

 

"We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime."

 

At that time, Obama wanted to get involved. Civilians were dying. Children were dying. Yes for some reason they didn't move Trump or Republicans in any significant way then.

 

That is the definition of slow. It was a chemical attack, yes that is horrific. However children, mothers, innocent lives were being ended long before this. That's like saying it's okay to shoot someone in the head in cold blood, but poison them? That crosses a line. Murder is murder. He suddenly "decided" to grow a conscious? I don't think so.

[OriZ 3,157]

I agree there are multiple issues Trump has flip flopped on(and still is). However, keep in mind guys, that the president has access to info others don't. Trump may have thought one thing about Syria before, and now gets to see info that may have changed his mind. "What you see from here, you can't see from there".

[Dakine10 5,452]

25 minutes ago, eieio said:

He is flexible. Adapts to the current situation and new information. Another sign of a great leader.

   Well I'm not sure there was anything new in this situation. His 'adaption' in this case has earned him the nickname Hillary Trump by one Russian political commentator. Are you saying doing what Hillary would do is a sign of a great leader? That's quite an interesting about face.

[bcking 3,157]

What is his reason for striking down? Because they killed civilians?

 

http://www.iamsyria.org/death-tolls.html

 

SNHR estimates over 200,000 civilian deaths so far. That is the line that needs to be crossed? That is the definition of slow.

[bcking 3,157]

2 minutes ago, OriZ said:

I agree there are multiple issues Trump has flip flopped on(and still is). However, keep in mind guys, that the president has access to info others don't. Trump may have thought one thing about Syria before, and now gets to see info that may have changed his mind. "What you see from here, you can't see from there".

What do you think Republican congressional leaders have seen recently that make them suddenly in support when they weren't a year ago?

 

And second question:

 

What do you think Trump has learned that makes him specifically now feel that he doesn't need congressional approval, when 3 years ago he claimed that a President should get it?

Edited April 8, 2017 by bcking

[OriZ 3,157]

3 minutes ago, bcking said:

What do you think Republican congressional leaders have seen recently that make them suddenly in support when they weren't a year ago?

I don't know. That's exactly my point. We're not there - we know nothing.