"That’s what happens with an unpopular president’: GOP allies flee Trump as his poll numbers take a nosedive

[TBoneTX 45,301]

9 minutes ago, Transborderwife said:

He knows that this nom may not make it, so wait for the next time to push a more conservative judges 

This certainly happened with Geo. W. Bush when he nominated Harriet Myers or whoever it was.

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

why fight for a bill you (1) don't like (2) know will fail? there's no reason in that, certainly not to tell the american people 'it's a great bill" if you don't actually believe it or believe it will pass only to say, yeah i knew it sucked and wouldn't get through - that's why i pushed for it!

Crazy like a fox, perhaps?  Not saying that this was the case; only that there's a smallish chance that it was.

[jg121783 3,915]

If Trump really wanted Ryancare to pass don't you think he would have delayed things to allow Ryan to get the votes he needed instead of saying "pass it now or forget about it"? Doesn't seem like a strategy a president would use for a bill he wanted passed.

[smilesammich 10,727]

54 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Crazy like a fox, perhaps?  Not saying that this was the case; only that there's a smallish chance that it was.

i simply cannot believe that trump is 'crazy like a fox'. trust fund babies are rarely even close to as cunning as they're capable of appearing. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

13 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

If Trump really wanted Ryancare to pass don't you think he would have delayed things to allow Ryan to get the votes he needed instead of saying "pass it now or forget about it"? Doesn't seem like a strategy a president would use for a bill he wanted passed.

if he really wanted it to pass, but watched the news and saw all the votes slipping slipping slipping into the no way jose zone, he would create a false sense of pressure, throw up a hail mary, and then say he's glad it failed now we can come up with something much better. or if it had gotten through, he could take praise for his tough tactics and 'winning' the healthcare.

 trump isn't a planner, he's more a throw as much possible & see what sticks kinda fella. the television (ratings) is his guide..

Edited April 6, 2017 by smilesammich

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

42 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

i simply cannot believe that trump is 'crazy like a fox'. trust fund babies are rarely even close to as cunning as they're capable of appearing. 

All those Billions he has made are accidental 

Edited April 6, 2017 by Nature Boy Flair

[smilesammich 10,727]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

All those Billions he has made are accidental 

no, he was born into money..luck of the draw.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

34 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

no, he was born into money..luck of the draw.

He did inherent around 40-100 million but turned it into Billons. No small feat as many many blow thru that kind of money 

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

He did inherent around 40-100 million but turned it into Billons. No small feat as many many blow thru that kind of money 

yeah, poor or regular working adults who inherit or win a lottery 40-100 mill - will blow it all 9 times out of ten. not only will they blow it all but will manage to carve a new rock bottom out for themselves..i guess that doesn't happen all the time, but those are the stories we hear about..

but those born into wealth, affluence, like trump or even on a smaller scale (kushner/ivanka) those who from the get-go benefit from the vast network their parents have already established (or truly old money, that's been 'in the family' for generations) generally speaking unless they are disowned by their families, they do loose rungs on the wealth ladder. trump is not rich because he's a genius. neither is ivanka. or kushner.

i'm actually having a really hard time processing kushner in the position(s) he's in - kid is young. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

12 hours ago, jg121783 said:

I wonder if these polls used the same method to determine that Trump would lose the election by a large margin. If so they should be taken just as seriously. By the way the health care bill that failed should be called Ryancare not Trumpcare. It was Paul Ryan's creation and Trump caused it to fail by trying to ram it through quickly. Now that Trump has disposed of the bad bill he is moving onto a better bill like the one written by an actual doctor Rand Paul. I think a doctor can write a better health care bill than a bunch of lawyers can anyways.

The Gallup poll uses the same methods that have measured presidents for decades.  Addtionally, the total national vote was quite close to the national polls...the state polls were off and the win was electoral not popular.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

6 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

All those Billions he has made are accidental 

Actually quite remarkable seeing how he was dead broke the 4 to 6 times he was bankrupt

Edited April 7, 2017 by ccneat

[OriZ 3,157]

7 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

He did inherent around 40-100 million but turned it into Billons. No small feat as many many blow thru that kind of money 

Small hands, small feaet, what difference does it make.

[jg121783 3,915]

3 hours ago, ccneat said:

The Gallup poll uses the same methods that have measured presidents for decades.  Addtionally, the total national vote was quite close to the national polls...the state polls were off and the win was electoral not popular.

Oh really? So Hillary won the popular vote by 20-30% like the polls were saying she would?

[eieio 1,594]

3 hours ago, ccneat said:

Actually quite remarkable seeing how he was dead broke the 4 to 6 times he was bankrupt

So he was dead broke and still made billions after that?  That must be why some people call him a failed billionaire. He failed and then he succeeded by making billions.

 

I wish I could call myself even a failed millionaire.

 

 

I wonder how the twice failed presidential candidate made her millions?  Ohhh that's right...."speeches" for 250,000.....never mind....when she gave a free speech....hardly anybody showed up.

 

 

[TBoneTX 45,301]

11 hours ago, smilesammich said:

trust fund babies are rarely even close to as cunning as they're capable of appearing. 

Unless someone who states this happens to know a statistically significant sample of such people, it's unclear that a stereotype applies.

[Dakine10 5,452]

28 minutes ago, jg121783 said:

Oh really? So Hillary won the popular vote by 20-30% like the polls were saying she would?

  Reagan's electoral landslide (525 seats) was an 18% popular vote margin. What poll predicted this election was going to have a bigger spread that that? They had this close, hinging on Trumps ability to win 2 of 3 swing states. Obama had a 7% margin in the 2008 landslide and nobody was predicting anything like that in this election. You can still look at the polling data. The popular vote ended up close to the predictions, the electoral vote did not.