Mass. sheriff: State rep's Facebook post warning of ICE raid 'irresponsible,' 'underhanded'

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, Transborderwife said:

You mean we can't just pack em in a stadium and but the judge on the Jumbotron asking for a raise of hands who has papers and who doesn't then load em up in busses?  Or perhaps deport first, Skype their court proceedings later?

my husband works with a kid who is somehow legal to work but technically illegal. i don't know the details. he asked my husband if he was carrying around his greencard in his wallet - just to be safe. then they both had a big laugh because well, who is going to pull my white husband aside and ask him if he's legal? no one. 

[IAMX 3,055]

1 minute ago, Transborderwife said:

Again...what ID does someone awaiting their greencard have other than an EAD?

That's why they pick up a phone, call ICE. If their status is actually legal, ICE tells them they are fine and to proceed with whatever their normal SOP is with criminals.

 

Process over.

 

The whining about "boo hoo police state" is quite hilarious.

Edited March 31, 2017 by SRVT

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, SRVT said:

You're telling me the local jurisdictions wouldn't know their status by, you know, IDing them? They don't do this already when booking people? You're trying way too hard to be daft. You know full well they easily know the immigrant status of just about everyone they arrest before they even drive into the pokey.

i'm trying to be daft? maybe you're a bit out of touch with pokey procedure..

[Transborderwife 4,666]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

my husband works with a kid who is somehow legal to work but technically illegal. i don't know the details. he asked my husband if he was carrying around his greencard in his wallet - just to be safe. then they both had a big laugh because well, who is going to pull my white husband aside and ask him if he's legal? no one. 

Indeed.  While in overstay before AOS being a white Canadian "illegal" I got a lot of jokes in my circle of friends about it.

[CaliCat 3,957]

4 minutes ago, SRVT said:

There is no immigration act associated with calling ICE. Clearly the process evades you. This is an issue only you can resolve.

 

At this point, the only recommendation I can give you, is that you take a quick course the American Legal System.

 

Cornell has a stellar reputation when it comes to law. 

 

https://www.sce.cornell.edu/ss/courses/courses.php?v=1747

 

GOVT 3150 The American Legal System

Course description

 This course is only offered in the Summer Session.

This course offers a comprehensive introduction to the American legal system, its roots in natural and common law, the purposes/values it serves (e.g., resolution of private grievances; punishment of offenses against the polity and individuals; preservation, development, and limitation of individual and group rights; and facilitation of commerce and private agreements), and the roles of the judiciary, legislature, and private parties. The course is taught using the Socratic method employed at most US law schools and introduces students to fundamental concepts and techniques used by attorneys and courts in analyzing cases, interpreting statutes, and determining disputes. As in law school, students are expected to read assigned materials before each class meeting and to participate actively in class discussions.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, SRVT said:

That's why they pick up a phone, call ICE. If their status is actually legal, ICE tells them they are fine and to proceed with whatever their normal SOP is with criminals.

 

Process over.

so you'd like all intakes be called in to ice to verify status.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

1 minute ago, SRVT said:

That's why they pick up a phone, call ICE. If their status is actually legal, ICE tells them they are fine and to proceed with whatever their normal SOP is with criminals.

 

Process over.

Do you realize how long it can take to get a hold of that status sometimes?  

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Just now, smilesammich said:

so you'd like all intakes be called in to ice to verify status.

Create jobs for citizens!

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, Transborderwife said:

Indeed.  While in overstay before AOS being a white Canadian "illegal" I got a lot of jokes in my circle of friends about it.

 

Trump will build a wall along the Canadian border, and put a stop to that too. LOL

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, smilesammich said:

i'm trying to be daft? maybe you're a bit out of touch with pokey procedure..

So then you tell me how, in any other city or county that complies with the federal government, how they get to the process of deportation. Educate us all. Right now you guys are exaggerating this and making it sound like local law enforcement does everything, when in fact the most they do is pick up a phone and call ICE, and look at a computer screen. So do inform as to what I'm getting wrong.

[IAMX 3,055]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

so you'd like all intakes be called in to ice to verify status.

You can feel free to try and straw man it, but sure, why not.. is making the call to ICE to verify their legal status a problem? Does it violate the Constitution? If so, state how.

 

I would also like to point out that today generally one doesn't need a phone call to get information on someone's immigrant status. Jurisdictions that comply with the feds generally are given immediate access to this if they want it.

Edited March 31, 2017 by SRVT

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, SRVT said:

So then you tell me how, in any other city or county that complies with the federal government, how they get to the process of deportation. Educate us all. Right now you guys are exaggerating this and making it sound like local law enforcement does everything, when in fact the most they do is pick up a phone and call ICE, and look at a computer screen. So do inform as to what I'm getting wrong.

so yes, you'd like local law enforcement tasked with formally checking the immigration status of all arrests/intakes?

[Transborderwife 4,666]

2 minutes ago, SRVT said:

So then you tell me how, in any other city or county that complies with the federal government, how they get to the process of deportation. Educate us all. Right now you guys are exaggerating this and making it sound like local law enforcement does everything, when in fact the most they do is pick up a phone and call ICE, and look at a computer screen. So do inform as to what I'm getting wrong.

Because you're opening up a can of worms.  Say his name is Jose Cuervo.  Do you automatically ask for status?  What do you base that on?  Two words: racial profiling.  If his name was Tom Jones one likely wouldn't ask for status.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, SRVT said:

You can feel free to try and straw man it, but sure, why not.. is making the call to ICE to verify their legal status a problem? Does it violate the Constitution? If so, state how.

 

I would also like to point out that today generally one doesn't need a phone call to get information on someone's immigrant status. Jurisdictions that comply with the feds generally are given immediate access to this if they want it.

 how is that a straw man. you're just mad.

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, smilesammich said:

so yes, you'd like local law enforcement tasked with formally checking the immigration status of all arrests/intakes?

There is no need to, ICE is very much capable of doing this themselves. If there is even a question of legal status, that's what it's for. 

 

I think it's downright hilarious watching you try and act like this is somehow burdensome to local authorities. It's not, at all.