Mass. sheriff: State rep's Facebook post warning of ICE raid 'irresponsible,' 'underhanded'

[CaliCat 3,957]

37 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Illegals are rule breakers.  I don't know how many times people told me to have Katya fly to Mexico and cross the border illegally when she couldn't get a visitor visa, but hey, we followed the rules.  Why should someone who doesn't follow the rules be treated differently.  For me, it has nothing to do with fear.  Follow the rules, or lobby for them to be changed.

 

There are thousands who come in under VWP, and suddenly find themselves in love and decide to marry in the spur of the moment (wink, wink). The law doesn't call for their deportation. It sucks that the system is not fair, as you have experienced first time with your wife. What this argument does is simply reinforce the idea that we need immigration reform, and we need some hard rules. For each VWP that is suddenly struck by cupid's arrow, there is a Katia who has to wait in line, because she happens to hold the wrong passport. 

[IAMX 3,055]

2 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

It should concern the federal government, whose job it is, as established in the constitution. 

The feds aren't out there policing for every day crimes so if local agencies don't want to comply with their obligations under federal law to hand over known illegals in custody then the federal government has every right to withhold every cent of federal funds they get. Anyways this is just me repeating myself take it up with the Constitution if you don't like the immigration hierarchy. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, SRVT said:

The feds aren't out there policing for every day crimes so if local agencies don't want to comply with their obligations under federal law to hand over known illegals in custody then the federal government has every right to withhold every cent of federal funds they get. Anyways this is just me repeating myself take it up with the Constitution if you don't like the immigration hierarchy. 

if you can't see why local law enforcement shouldn't be taking on ice tasks then you don't understand how police states form.

[IAMX 3,055]

6 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

if you can't see why local law enforcement shouldn't be taking on ice tasks then you don't understand how police states form.

There is no job that ICE does that local jurisdictions are being asked to do.

 

Local jurisdictions are not processing illegals in immigrant courts, they're not deporting the illegals themselves.. what ICE tasks are they doing exactly?

 

Pick up phone, call ICE, wait for ICE agents to arrive.. wow, that's tough. Police state man.

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[CaliCat 3,957]

7 minutes ago, SRVT said:

The feds aren't out there policing for every day crimes so if local agencies don't want to comply with their obligations under federal law to hand over known illegals in custody then the federal government has every right to withhold every cent of federal funds they get. Anyways this is just me repeating myself take it up with the Constitution if you don't like the immigration hierarchy. 

 

That is the part you're missing. The constitution places immigration on the hands of the federal government. if you want local police to act upon immigration, you need to have congress modify it and give those powers to the sates. It seem it's you who have an issue with the letter of the law. It's not a matter of liking it or not. It's how it's written. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

5 minutes ago, SRVT said:

There is no job that ICE does that local jurisdictions are being asked to do.

 

Local jurisdictions are not processing illegals in immigrant courts, they're not deporting the illegals themselves.. what ICE tasks are they doing exactly?

 

County, city, or state can't prosecute cases that belongs in federal court. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

4 minutes ago, SRVT said:

There is no job that ICE does that local jurisdictions are being asked to do.

 

Local jurisdictions are not processing illegals in immigrant courts, they're not deporting the illegals themselves.. what ICE tasks are they doing exactly?

you're totally oversimplifying illegals and the process of deportation, as well as the purpose/conduct of local law enforcement and their restrictions. the way you want ice/mass deportations to go down would massively infringe on us citizens constitutional rights, not just illegals. people in the us without proper papers is not a problem as simple as illegal = deport, not matter how much you want it to be that black and white.

 

[IAMX 3,055]

5 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

That is the part you're missing. The constitution places immigration on the hands of the federal government. if you want local police to act upon immigration, you need to have congress modify it and give those powers to the sates. It seem it's you who have an issue with the letter of the law. It's not a matter of liking it or not. It's how it's written. 

There is no immigration act associated with calling ICE. Clearly the process evades you. This is an issue only you can resolve.

[IAMX 3,055]

Just now, smilesammich said:

you're totally oversimplifying illegals and the process of deportation, as well as the purpose/conduct of local law enforcement and their restrictions. the way you want ice/mass deportations to go down would massively infringe on us citizens constitutional rights, not just illegals. people in the us without proper papers is not a problem as simple as illegal = deport, not matter how much you want it to be that black and white.

 

So what process of deportation are local authorities asked to do in place of ICE? If you're going to act like this is the federal government trying to impose on local authorities, at least justify this claim. Not worth the time otherwise.

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[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, SRVT said:

There is no immigration act associated with calling ICE. Clearly the process evades you. This is an issue only you can resolve.

uh, they'd have to determine the person's illegalness before they called - no?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, SRVT said:

So what process of deportation are local authorities asked to do in place of ICE? If you're going to act like this is the federal government trying to impose on local authorities, at least justify this claim. Not worth the time otherwise.

see above.

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Just now, smilesammich said:

you're totally oversimplifying illegals and the process of deportation, as well as the purpose/conduct of local law enforcement and their restrictions. the way you want ice/mass deportations to go down would massively infringe on us citizens constitutional rights, not just illegals. people in the us without proper papers is not a problem as simple as illegal = deport, not matter how much you want it to be that black and white.

 

You mean we can't just pack em in a stadium and but the judge on the Jumbotron asking for a raise of hands who has papers and who doesn't then load em up in busses?  Or perhaps deport first, Skype their court proceedings later?

[IAMX 3,055]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

uh, they'd have to determine the person's illegalness before they called - no?

You're telling me the local jurisdictions wouldn't know their status by, you know, IDing them? They don't do this already when booking people? You're trying way too hard to be daft. You know full well they easily know the immigrant status of just about everyone they arrest before they even drive into the pokey.

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[Transborderwife 4,666]

Just now, smilesammich said:

see above.

Interesting how people would love to see women go to prison for falsely accusing rape, but falsely accusing illegals?  Nope. Honest mistake 

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Just now, SRVT said:

You're telling me they wouldn't know their status by, you know, IDing them? They don't do this already when booking people? You're trying way too hard to be daft.

Again...what ID does someone awaiting their greencard have other than an EAD?