Health care bill pulled from floor

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[Amica Nostra 4,803]

10 minutes ago, SRVT said:

It's all positioning now. I honestly wouldn't even trust Republicans not to craft a bill that, like Obamacare, gives this idiotic mandate to the insurance industry and fails to address prices whatsoever.

 

And to other posters suggesting this is Trump.. use your head, people. Trump never really formulated any specific plan about the "replace" part, he just wanted rid of Obamacare. This recent replacement conjured by Ryan and co. (i.e. insurance industry) is effectively Obamacare under a different name. Trump was just jumping on anything Republicans can pass that includes a repeal. Not praise worthy at all, but not really indicative of a Trump fail either. To me this symbolizes, though, the difficulty of both parties, their establishment, and how in the pockets of private interests they are. I'd like to see Ryan and McConnell tossed aside for someone who has the agenda in mind that got Republicans the mandate they have. I'm not a Republican by any means, I'd just like to see the cronyism of both parties given a kick in the ### for once in recent memory, besides the 2016 election.

“We get rid of Obamacare and we have a great life all together.” [GOP debate, Los Angeles, CA, 9/16/15]

“We’re going to end, terminate, repeal Obamacare and replace it with something really, really great that works. That works.” [New Hampshire, 9/17/15]

“We are going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something much better, much better much better.” [Waterloo, IA, 10/7/15]

“We’re gonna repeal Obamacare.” [Las Vegas, NV, 10/8/15]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare which is a disaster.” [Norcross, GA, 10/10/15]

“We’re going to terminate Obamacare. We’re going to terminate it, it’s going to be terminated, it’s going to be replaced with something much better and something much less expensive for you and for the country.” [Burlington, IA, 10/21/15]

“Someone said what’s the first thing you’re going to do? Well we’re going to work immediately on repealing Obamacare.” [Sioux City, IA, 10/27/15]

“I would work immediately on Obamacare repeal and replace, and we would do something terrific there.” [FOX, 11/3/15]

“… the repeal of Obamacare and replacing it with something so much better. So we will repeal.” [Aiken, SC, 12/12/15]

“Our health care is a horror show. Obamacare, we’re going to repeal it and replace it.” [North Charleston, SC, 1/14/16]

 

“Everybody in here, many of you know me, from day one I’ve been talking about we’re going to repeal and replace Obamacare from day one, we’re going to do it. If you remember, so important, from day one I’ve been saying, repeal and replace Obamacare.” [Milford, NH, 2/2/16]

 

“I think Obamacare is a very big issue. I see it, we are going to repeal it or replace it with something much better and much less expensive. We have a lot of different things we are going to do.” [FOX, 2/10/16]

“We’re going to absolutely terminate and repeal — we’re going to repeal ‘Obamacare.’ Has to be repealed.” [FOX, 2/11/15]

“But he’ll take something like Obamacare where I’m totally and absolutely, you know, going to repeal and replace Obamacare from its inception and he’ll say that I love Obamacare, which is so ridiculous.” [CNN, 2/15/16]

 

“Look, I want — we’re going to — we’re going to repeal and — and replace Obamacare. Obamacare is a total and complete disaster. It’s going to be gone. We’re going to come up with a great health care plan, whether it’s health care savings accounts, we have a lot of different things.” [West Palm Beach, FL, 2/21/16]

“We’re going to win with Obamacare — we’re getting rid of it, we’re repealing, it replacing it.” [Columbus, OH, 3/1/16]

 

“We are going to get rid of Obamacare and repeal it and replace it.” [Portland, ME, 3/3/16]

“Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.” [Trump campaign website, 3/3/16]

“We are going to get rid of a lot of things. We are getting rid of Obamacare and replacing it. OK?” [Orlando, FL, 3/5/16]

“On health care where we’re going to repeal and replace Obamacare…” [GOP debate, Jupiter, FL, 3/8/16]

“We have discussed repealing and replacing Obamacare. It is going to happen.” [Fayetteville, NC, 3/9/16]

“We can’t have good health care. Obamacare is a disaster. Got to be repealed and replaced.” [Fox News, 3/11/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare and we are going to win with its replacement.” [Dayton, OH, 3/12/16]

“We’re going to repeal and replace Obama care. It’s going to be repealed and replaced.”[Kansas City, MO, 3/12/16]

“We are gonna lead on health care, we are gonna get rid of Obamacare, repeal and replace.” [West Chester, OH, 3/13/16]

“Obamacare is a disaster. It will be repealed and replaced as sure as you’re sitting there. Repealed and replaced. Thank you. And we will have alternatives that will be so good, that’s so much less expensive. So much better. You will actually be able to keep your doctor and to have your plan.” [Tampa, FL, 3/14/16]

“And I have to tell you, health care, Obamacare is a disaster. We’re gonna repeal and replace it. We’re gonna repeal it and replace it.” [Hickory, NC, 3/14/16]

“We’re repealing and replacing Obamacare that I can tell you.” [Youngstown, OH, 3/14/16]

“We’re gonna terminate Obamacare. We’re gonna repeal it and replace it with great health care for far less money. That’s gonna happen. That is going to happen.” [Fountain Hills, AZ, 3/19/16]

“HANNITY: You said to me you will repeal “Obama care” and replace it with health care savings accounts. TRUMP: Correct.” [Fox News, 3/21/16]

“So we’re gonna get efficiency in government but we’re gonna end Obamacare. We’re gonna replace it with something so much better and so much less expensive.” [Janesville, WI, 3/29/16]

“Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced.” [Appleton, WI, 3/30/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare which is a total catastrophe. You are going to have great health insurance.” [Milwaukee, WI, 4/4/16]

“Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced with something much less expensive that works much better.” [CNN, 5/14/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare, which is a disaster.” [Charleston, WV, 5/5/16]

“HANNITY: You’re making a promise to balance the budget. You’re making a promise to build the wall. You made a promise you’re going to repeal ‘Obamacare’… TRUMP: A hundred percent.” [Fox News, 5/18/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare.” [Lawrence Township, NJ, 5/19/16]

“Because we will terminate Obama care and replace it, believe me, with something good. Believe me. [Cheers and applause] Repeal and replace Obama care.” [San Diego, CA, 5/27/16]

“We’re gonna repeal and replace Obamacare with something great.” [Fresno, CA, 5/27/16]

“And by the way, we are going to repeal and replace Obamacare. Just remember that.” [New York, NY, 5/29/16]

“A lot of part timers because of Obamacare, which is a disaster, which we’re going to repeal and replace with something much better, and much less money.” [Fox News, 6/21/16]

“We will repeal and replace job killing Obamacare. It is a total disaster.” [New York, NY, 6/22/16]

“We will repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare. You will be able to choose your own doctor again.” [Acceptance speech in Cleveland, OH 7/21/16]

 

“We will repeal and replace the horrible disaster known as Obamacare.” [Manchester, NH, 8/25/16]

“On my first day in office, I am going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace, I just said it, Obamacare.” [Asheville, NC, 9/12/16]

“Also on my first day, I will ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare.” [Clive, OH, 9/13/16]

“Also on my first day i’m going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare.” [Canton, OH, 9/14/16]

“The 3.8 percent Obamacare tax on investment income will be repealed, as will the alternative minimum tax.” [Trump campaign website, 9/15/16]

“Repeal and replace Obamacare with Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).” [Trump campaign website, 10/6/16

“Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my administration. … The Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeal Obamacare and replace it with health savings accounts. We can do that.” [Gettysburg, PA, 10/22/16]

“My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability.” [Sanford, FL, 10/25/16]

 

“When we win on November 8th and elect a Republican congress, we will be able to immediately repeal and replace Obamacare. Have to do it. I will ask Congress to convene a special session so we can repeal and replace, and it will be such an honor for me, for you, and for everybody in this country because Obamacare has to be replaced and we will do it and we will do it very, very quickly.” [Valley Forge, PA, 11/1/16]

 

 

 

[IAMX 3,055]

4 minutes ago, ccneat said:

“We get rid of Obamacare and we have a great life all together.” [GOP debate, Los Angeles, CA, 9/16/15]

“We’re going to end, terminate, repeal Obamacare and replace it with something really, really great that works. That works.” [New Hampshire, 9/17/15]

“We are going to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something much better, much better much better.” [Waterloo, IA, 10/7/15]

“We’re gonna repeal Obamacare.” [Las Vegas, NV, 10/8/15]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare which is a disaster.” [Norcross, GA, 10/10/15]

“We’re going to terminate Obamacare. We’re going to terminate it, it’s going to be terminated, it’s going to be replaced with something much better and something much less expensive for you and for the country.” [Burlington, IA, 10/21/15]

“Someone said what’s the first thing you’re going to do? Well we’re going to work immediately on repealing Obamacare.” [Sioux City, IA, 10/27/15]

“I would work immediately on Obamacare repeal and replace, and we would do something terrific there.” [FOX, 11/3/15]

“… the repeal of Obamacare and replacing it with something so much better. So we will repeal.” [Aiken, SC, 12/12/15]

“Our health care is a horror show. Obamacare, we’re going to repeal it and replace it.” [North Charleston, SC, 1/14/16]

 

“Everybody in here, many of you know me, from day one I’ve been talking about we’re going to repeal and replace Obamacare from day one, we’re going to do it. If you remember, so important, from day one I’ve been saying, repeal and replace Obamacare.” [Milford, NH, 2/2/16]

 

“I think Obamacare is a very big issue. I see it, we are going to repeal it or replace it with something much better and much less expensive. We have a lot of different things we are going to do.” [FOX, 2/10/16]

“We’re going to absolutely terminate and repeal — we’re going to repeal ‘Obamacare.’ Has to be repealed.” [FOX, 2/11/15]

“But he’ll take something like Obamacare where I’m totally and absolutely, you know, going to repeal and replace Obamacare from its inception and he’ll say that I love Obamacare, which is so ridiculous.” [CNN, 2/15/16]

 

“Look, I want — we’re going to — we’re going to repeal and — and replace Obamacare. Obamacare is a total and complete disaster. It’s going to be gone. We’re going to come up with a great health care plan, whether it’s health care savings accounts, we have a lot of different things.” [West Palm Beach, FL, 2/21/16]

“We’re going to win with Obamacare — we’re getting rid of it, we’re repealing, it replacing it.” [Columbus, OH, 3/1/16]

 

“We are going to get rid of Obamacare and repeal it and replace it.” [Portland, ME, 3/3/16]

“Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.” [Trump campaign website, 3/3/16]

“We are going to get rid of a lot of things. We are getting rid of Obamacare and replacing it. OK?” [Orlando, FL, 3/5/16]

“On health care where we’re going to repeal and replace Obamacare…” [GOP debate, Jupiter, FL, 3/8/16]

“We have discussed repealing and replacing Obamacare. It is going to happen.” [Fayetteville, NC, 3/9/16]

“We can’t have good health care. Obamacare is a disaster. Got to be repealed and replaced.” [Fox News, 3/11/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare and we are going to win with its replacement.” [Dayton, OH, 3/12/16]

“We’re going to repeal and replace Obama care. It’s going to be repealed and replaced.”[Kansas City, MO, 3/12/16]

“We are gonna lead on health care, we are gonna get rid of Obamacare, repeal and replace.” [West Chester, OH, 3/13/16]

“Obamacare is a disaster. It will be repealed and replaced as sure as you’re sitting there. Repealed and replaced. Thank you. And we will have alternatives that will be so good, that’s so much less expensive. So much better. You will actually be able to keep your doctor and to have your plan.” [Tampa, FL, 3/14/16]

“And I have to tell you, health care, Obamacare is a disaster. We’re gonna repeal and replace it. We’re gonna repeal it and replace it.” [Hickory, NC, 3/14/16]

“We’re repealing and replacing Obamacare that I can tell you.” [Youngstown, OH, 3/14/16]

“We’re gonna terminate Obamacare. We’re gonna repeal it and replace it with great health care for far less money. That’s gonna happen. That is going to happen.” [Fountain Hills, AZ, 3/19/16]

“HANNITY: You said to me you will repeal “Obama care” and replace it with health care savings accounts. TRUMP: Correct.” [Fox News, 3/21/16]

“So we’re gonna get efficiency in government but we’re gonna end Obamacare. We’re gonna replace it with something so much better and so much less expensive.” [Janesville, WI, 3/29/16]

“Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced.” [Appleton, WI, 3/30/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare which is a total catastrophe. You are going to have great health insurance.” [Milwaukee, WI, 4/4/16]

“Obamacare is going to be repealed and replaced with something much less expensive that works much better.” [CNN, 5/14/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare, which is a disaster.” [Charleston, WV, 5/5/16]

“HANNITY: You’re making a promise to balance the budget. You’re making a promise to build the wall. You made a promise you’re going to repeal ‘Obamacare’… TRUMP: A hundred percent.” [Fox News, 5/18/16]

“We are going to repeal and replace Obamacare.” [Lawrence Township, NJ, 5/19/16]

“Because we will terminate Obama care and replace it, believe me, with something good. Believe me. [Cheers and applause] Repeal and replace Obama care.” [San Diego, CA, 5/27/16]

“We’re gonna repeal and replace Obamacare with something great.” [Fresno, CA, 5/27/16]

“And by the way, we are going to repeal and replace Obamacare. Just remember that.” [New York, NY, 5/29/16]

“A lot of part timers because of Obamacare, which is a disaster, which we’re going to repeal and replace with something much better, and much less money.” [Fox News, 6/21/16]

“We will repeal and replace job killing Obamacare. It is a total disaster.” [New York, NY, 6/22/16]

“We will repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare. You will be able to choose your own doctor again.” [Acceptance speech in Cleveland, OH 7/21/16]

 

“We will repeal and replace the horrible disaster known as Obamacare.” [Manchester, NH, 8/25/16]

“On my first day in office, I am going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace, I just said it, Obamacare.” [Asheville, NC, 9/12/16]

“Also on my first day, I will ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare.” [Clive, OH, 9/13/16]

“Also on my first day i’m going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace disastrous Obamacare.” [Canton, OH, 9/14/16]

“The 3.8 percent Obamacare tax on investment income will be repealed, as will the alternative minimum tax.” [Trump campaign website, 9/15/16]

“Repeal and replace Obamacare with Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).” [Trump campaign website, 10/6/16

“Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my administration. … The Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeal Obamacare and replace it with health savings accounts. We can do that.” [Gettysburg, PA, 10/22/16]

“My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability.” [Sanford, FL, 10/25/16]

 

“When we win on November 8th and elect a Republican congress, we will be able to immediately repeal and replace Obamacare. Have to do it. I will ask Congress to convene a special session so we can repeal and replace, and it will be such an honor for me, for you, and for everybody in this country because Obamacare has to be replaced and we will do it and we will do it very, very quickly.” [Valley Forge, PA, 11/1/16]

 

 

 

Holy ####### dude, that's a ton of quotes.. but thank you for helping me out.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

 

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

7 minutes ago, ccneat said:

 

 

remember when trump stood there in full duck face with not a care in the world cause he knew rubio didn't have nuffin either..

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

5 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

remember when trump stood there in full duck face with not a care in the world cause he knew rubio didn't have nuffin either..

yeah but this was not as good as the one about small hands

 

Remember when Ted ate a booger? 

Edited March 27, 2017 by ccneat

[IAMX 3,055]

4 minutes ago, ccneat said:

 

 

Rubio was also an establishment cuck. Voters saw right through his act. Right or not, the GOP electorate wanted Obamacare dumped.. replacement or otherwise.

 

Obviously Republicans in Congress would find themselves with a lot more support if they'd at least get that "repeal" part down asap. Of course, this "replacement" facade reeks of cronyism, like waiting for a handout from the insurance industry before writing their bill. 

 

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 (voted Gary Johnson) but if he can actually pull off getting rid of Obamacare, along with fulfilling a few more promises (such as getting rid of DACA), he could get my 2020 vote. More of this, though, and I'll be looking third party yet again.

 

What I think people should also be focusing on is that Republicans have already passed a bill to dump Obamacare.. it was vetoed by Obama.

 

Restoring Americans’ Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015

 

Why not just do this again?

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 minute ago, SRVT said:

 

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016 (voted Gary Johnson) but if he can actually pull off getting rid of Obamacare, along with fulfilling a few more promises (such as getting rid of DACA), he could get my 2020 vote. More of this, though, and I'll be looking third party yet again.

I predict by June of this year, we will not find one CEHEST regular who will remember voting for  Trump

 

 

1 minute ago, SRVT said:

 

What I think people should also be focusing on is that Republicans have already passed a bill to dump Obamacare.. it was vetoed by Obama.

 

Restoring Americans’ Healthcare Freedom Reconciliation Act of 2015

 

Why not just do this again?

Good question..and the answer?

 

[theresaL 408]

56 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Okay then

Too late he's not the President anymore. Thank the Lord.

 

Actually, I think if you changed absolutely nothing in the ACA and just renamed it the Dems would still vote against it calling it the worst thought out piece of legislation that was ever pushed onto the American people. And then blame it on Trump because it came under his watch.

[smilesammich 10,727]

1 minute ago, ccneat said:

I predict by June of this year, we will not find one CEHEST regular who will remember voting for  Trump

 

 

Good question..and the answer?

 

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Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD8) said in a press release, "For the 61st time . . . our Republican colleagues are moving forward on legislation to dismantle the Affordable Care Act. . . . Why in the world are we here on the floor of the House of Representatives passing legislation that’s going to take away affordable health care to 15 million Americans, including three million children?"

All but one Democrat voted against in the two House votes. That was Rep. Collin Peterson (D-MN7), the most conservative Democrat in the House according to our ideology analysis.

The White House had said the President would veto the bill: “Repealing the health care law would have implications far beyond these Americans who have or will gain insurance . . . More than 150 million Americans with employer-based insurance would be at risk of higher premiums and lower wages, or losing their coverage altogether. It would raise taxes on certain middle-class families.”

 

[smilesammich 10,727]

Just now, theresaL said:

Too late he's not the President anymore. Thank the Lord.

 

Actually, I think if you changed absolutely nothing in the ACA and just renamed it the Dems would still vote against it calling it the worst thought out piece of legislation that was ever pushed onto the American people. And then blame it on Trump because it came under his watch.

17 days. no real work or effort went into this legislation. from ryan or trump, anyone. or are we seriously that screwed as a country that at this point it only matters how many pages the legislation is and if it's named after the right person? 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

2 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

17 days. no real work or effort went into this legislation. from ryan or trump, anyone. or are we seriously that screwed as a country that at this point it only matters how many pages the legislation is and if it's named after the right person? 

I know you are very secular, but try to see the blessing. 

If Team Trump only had half of their stuff together they might have achieved 1/16 of what Trump promised.  As it is now Obamacare, however flawed, is the defacto healthcare plan.  Thankfully they are so incompetent they don't know the importance of counting votes.

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

12 minutes ago, theresaL said:

Too late he's not the President anymore. Thank the Lord.

 

Actually, I think if you changed absolutely nothing in the ACA and just renamed it the Dems would still vote against it calling it the worst thought out piece of legislation that was ever pushed onto the American people. And then blame it on Trump because it came under his watch.

The ACA was a bad to fair piece of legislation.  It could have been better.  I could have been improved incrementally to fix the problems.  We should be fixing it right now.  

 

So why are the Republicans not able to put a law on the floor?

 

 

[IAMX 3,055]

10 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

17 days. no real work or effort went into this legislation. from ryan or trump, anyone. or are we seriously that screwed as a country that at this point it only matters how many pages the legislation is and if it's named after the right person? 

Ryan went through all the trouble of holding up a copy of the AHCA draft and saying some words. Give the man some credit.. that's almost as much effort as I put into this post.

[smilesammich 10,727]

5 minutes ago, ccneat said:

I know you are very secular, but try to see the blessing. 

If Team Trump only had half of their stuff together they might have achieved 1/16 of what Trump promised.  As it is now Obamacare, however flawed, is the defacto healthcare plan.  Thankfully they are so incompetent they don't know the importance of counting votes.

i think they overestimated the effectiveness of bullying. everybody knows bullys are bullys because they lack substance and don't want the scaredy cats to look behind the menacing curtain.