Attack in London - Parliament

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1 minute ago, eieio said:

There is no bullet proof solution. But, like anything else….we need to identify the problem before we can find a solution. The problem has its roots in Islam. 

Just stating that isn't very helpful though. Having its roots in Islam doesn't really do much to help find a solution. Problems can have many sources, we do root cause analysis all the time in hospitals. Not every root cause is a reasonable starting point for a solution.

 

If you wanted to solve the problem of central line infections in the hospital, one major root cause of getting a central line infection is having a central line. Whoop-dee-do, you aren't going to solve the problem by just saying "Well lets just not have central lines". It may be a "root cause", but it's not a very helpful one because it can't be changed.

 

My point was even though the problem has "its roots in Islam", Islam has 1.6 billion people and growing. Saying that a problem has its roots in a religion that almost 1/4 of the world population adheres to doesn't instantly conjure up many solutions in my opinion. I think we need to look for another root cause to tackle, because I think blanketly fighting Islam will not be a solution.

 

I'm waiting for Trump to apply the "No one ever knew it could be this complicated" statement to terrorism just like he applied it to healthcare.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

Just stating that isn't very helpful though. Having its roots in Islam doesn't really do much to help find a solution. Problems can have many sources, we do root cause analysis all the time in hospitals. Not every root cause is a reasonable starting point for a solution.

 

If you wanted to solve the problem of central line infections in the hospital, one major root cause of getting a central line infection is having a central line. Whoop-dee-do, you aren't going to solve the problem by just saying "Well lets just not have central lines". It may be a "root cause", but it's not a very helpful one because it can't be changed.

 

My point was even though the problem has "its roots in Islam", Islam has 1.6 billion people and growing. Saying that a problem has its roots in a religion that almost 1/4 of the world population adheres to doesn't instantly conjure up many solutions in my opinion. I think we need to look for another root cause to tackle, because I think blanketly fighting Islam will not be a solution.

 

I'm waiting for Trump to apply the "No one ever knew it could be this complicated" statement to terrorism just like he applied it to healthcare.

Unfortunately, not enough people see things as you do. Far to many are still blaming to wrong root of the problem. 

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3 minutes ago, eieio said:

Unfortunately, not enough people see things as you do. Far to many are still blaming to wrong root of the problem. 

I can't speak for other people, but for me every problem has multiple "roots" (just like a tree!!). If I identify one root cause and realize that I can't create any solutions based on that root, I will go looking for another one. The "Islam Root", to me at least, doesn't provide any solutions you embrace the root itself while trying to solve the problem. So I'd rather talk about other potential root causes that maybe we can change.

 

As for addressing the "Islam" root - What I mean by "embracing" the root itself is Islam has 1.6 billion people, as already mentioned. Numbers on "radicalized" sects are difficult to come by and I'm sure we could find higher numbers from people inclined to believe it is high, and lower numbers from those inclined to believe it is low. Regardless of which number, it is not the majority (>50%). There are not 800 million radical Islamic terrorists. So if you want to go the route of solving the terrorism problem, you can't just target "Islam". You end up targetting 800 million + people (I believe it is quite a bit more than that, but like I said specific numbers are impossible so we can go with 50%) who agree with you (terrorism is bad, it is horrible all these people that are being killed, why can't these people stop etc....). That isnt' a way to solve a problem, by making millions of innocent people look like the enemy and alienating them. While we aren't talking about the other root causes, I would venture to guess that by doing that you would increase some of the other more specific root causes and lead to more terrorists, not less.

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To the topic at hand, currently there is an evac for a suspicious package.

 

And as always it seems the attacker is always known and being watched... but nothing is ever done to stop them before they act.

 

The attacker was also British.

 

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The Westminster attacker was British-born and known to the police and intelligence services, Prime Minister Theresa May has revealed.

She told MPs he had been investigated some years ago but was not part of the current intelligence picture.

The so-called Islamic State group has said it was behind the attack.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39363297

Edited March 23, 2017 by yuna628

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Sounds Amish?

 

London terror attack: Khalid Masood named by police as responsible for Westminster attack

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1 minute ago, Boiler said:

Sounds Amish?

 

London terror attack: Khalid Masood named by police as responsible for Westminster attack

Did you see that Beard.  Definitely Amish 

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Seems he may be a Kentish Hop Picker

 

Anyway nothing to do with Islam.

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Attacker described as a 52 year old British-born married father of three from Kent, with a long string of criminal convictions stretching back as far as the early 80s. Apparently an English teacher (they let felons in schools eh?) One report describes him as having multiple aliases, and that he had recently converted. Suspect that perhaps this was not his real name, but rather just what he called himself. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/london-attack-everything-know-khalid-masood/

Several others were taken into custody in a flat he may have been living in, in Birmingham.

 

Oh well, sorry that this ruins Farage's exploitive tv narrative that they need to keep the immigrants out. Shall we ban all those born in Kent?

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4 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Attacker described as a 52 year old British-born married father of three from Kent, with a long string of criminal convictions stretching back as far as the early 80s. Apparently an English teacher (they let felons in schools eh?) One report describes him as having multiple aliases, and that he had recently converted. Suspect that perhaps this was not his real name, but rather just what he called himself. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/23/london-attack-everything-know-khalid-masood/

Several others were taken into custody in a flat he may have been living in, in Birmingham.

 

Oh well, sorry that this ruins Farage's exploitive tv narrative that they need to keep the immigrants out. Shall we ban all those born in Kent?

So he was Muslim. Thanks 

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I am sure his lineage goes back to the Domesday Book.

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2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

So he was Muslim. Thanks 

Should we deport all Muslims who are born US citizens? Where would we send them? The travel ban wouldn't prevent a homegrown Muslim terror act.  Stopping immigration from largely Muslim country's wouldn't help in a case like this either. What can we do? 

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3 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Should we deport all Muslims who are born US citizens? Where would we send them? The travel ban wouldn't prevent a homegrown Muslim terror act.  Stopping immigration from largely Muslim country's wouldn't help in a case like this either. What can we do? 

We need more poodles!

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6 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Should we deport all Muslims who are born US citizens? Where would we send them? The travel ban wouldn't prevent a homegrown Muslim terror act.  Stopping immigration from largely Muslim country's wouldn't help in a case like this either. What can we do? 

oh my, how refreshing. none of this pc amish nonsense lets get straight to solutions!

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6 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

Should we deport all Muslims who are born US citizens? Where would we send them? The travel ban wouldn't prevent a homegrown Muslim terror act.  Stopping immigration from largely Muslim country's wouldn't help in a case like this either. What can we do? 

 

The logic of the MDRs makes me laugh. If we're safer by keeping Muslims away, we should be even safer by sending all the British back home. After all, this man was a British subject.

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2 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

We need more poodles!

  But seriously, how do you solve it? Ban the religion and execute anyone who practices it? Put them in camps like we did the Japanese?