President Trump Addresses the Joint Session of Congress

[Teddy B 17,252]

7 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Well thing is it's not even only him. I remember even before the elections they were saying it's possible some 20% of Bernie supporters would vote for Trump. I don't know how many actually ended up doing it, but it has something to do with stuff like their proposal and rhetoric on trade which are almost indistinguishable., they both favor campaign finance reform, neither talked like politicians, they both support maintaining or expanding current levels of social security benefits, both have similar views on gun control(Sanders being a vermonter makes it almost a given), both supported single payer at one time(even Trump although now he seems to have backed away), both want to invest alot into infrastructure, so there's differences but there's also some similarities. 

It's kinda like when both ends of the opposite spectrum meet there tends to be some common ground. I think most people who were Bernie supporters that did or said they would vote for Trump were simply looking for something different. I voted for Bernie for that reason, but I couldn't make the leap to Trump.

[smilesammich 10,727]

11 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Well thing is it's not even only him. I remember even before the elections they were saying it's possible some 20% of Bernie supporters would vote for Trump. I don't know how many actually ended up doing it, but it has something to do with stuff like their proposal and rhetoric on trade which are almost indistinguishable., they both favor campaign finance reform, neither talked like politicians, they both support maintaining or expanding current levels of social security benefits, both have similar views on gun control(Sanders being a vermonter makes it almost a given), both supported single payer at one time(even Trump although now he seems to have backed away), both want to invest alot into infrastructure, so there's differences but there's also some similarities. 

see i totally think trump talks like a politician. he lies like a phenomenal politician, with such stamina. just, nonstop twistin and turnin.  

[OriZ 3,157]

2 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

It's kinda like when both ends of the opposite spectrum meet there tends to be some common ground. I think most people who were Bernie supporters that did or said they would vote for Trump were simply looking for something different. I voted for Bernie for that reason, but I couldn't make the leap to Trump.

Yeah, I'm not saying these were "true" Bernie supporters(like the other 80% are) that had a deep committment to his beliefs kind of like our friend Val...But there were people who liked both for the stuff that they do have in common and couldn't care less if one is a socialist or one is a billionaire. 

[OriZ 3,157]

1 minute ago, smilesammich said:

see i totally think trump talks like a politician. he lies like a phenomenal politician, with such stamina. just, nonstop twistin and turnin.  

Well I also agree he talks like one now as per my previous comment on this thread which is why I used "talked". But even if you consider him talking like one even before the elections, to some though, he's not a politician, just like to some Sanders isn't, and that's something they share in common that some people apparently appreciate in both.

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Just now, OriZ said:

Well I also agree he talks like one now as per my previous comment on this thread which is why I used "talked". But even if you consider him talking like one even before the elections, to some though, he's not a politician, just like to some Sanders isn't, and that's something they share in common that some people apparently appreciate in both.

anyone who thinks or thought sanders isn't a politician is an imbecile. he had like 15 years in congress before becoming a senator. bernie sticks out cause he doesn't incessantly lie, and he has a spine and he actually uses it to stay upright. the idea that an outsider can disassemble establishment and simultaneously have the establishment work like a well oiled machine for their agenda is also quite stupid. i guess this trump/bernie connection will never ever make sense to me.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

45 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Trump references self 60 percent less than Obama in first joint session speech

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/28/trump-references-self-60-percent-less-than-obama-in-first-joint-session-speech.html

Only because Trump prefers to constantly praise himself in the third person on Twitter. Haters liked to see narcissism in Obamas' cool self confidence but except for perhaps every ruling member of NK's Kim family the world has never seen such a true narcissist like Donald Trump. In that category he is arguably number one, top dog.

[smilesammich 10,727]

besides, i thought one of the main reasons obama sucked so much is because he wasn't nauseously alpha enough.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

31 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

So, the so-called president speaks for over one hour, and that's all Faux news got out of the speech? LOL!

No they had a lot more . I just choose the best one.   One of the best speeches ever. Reminded me of Reagan. 

 

Haters gonna hate. The demand are sealing their fate 

[bcking 3,157]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

No they had a lot more . I just choose the best one.   One of the best speeches ever. Reminded me of Reagan. 

 

Haters gonna hate. The demand are sealing their fate 

Except previously you said that anything that is misleading is the equivalent of fake.

 

If you fact check his speech you will find most of what he says is "misleading" or "mostly true". So technically wasn't his speech all full of fake statements?

 

It's interesting what you consider "One of the best speeches ever". Was the presentation of the award for Best Picture this year one of the "best award presentations ever"? Is The Human Centipede one of the "best movies ever"?

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[CaliCat 3,957]

13 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

No they had a lot more . I just choose the best one.   One of the best speeches ever. Reminded me of Reagan. 

 

Haters gonna hate. The demand are sealing their fate 

 

You should post the other stuff. This makes it look like they couldn't find any substance in what was said. And you're right on: Haters gonna hate. Obama is no longer president and they are still trying to find fault in him. 

 

The one thing I disagree is that when Regan was inaugurated he already had a plan and a story to tell the American people in how he was going to get us there. Trump still has a lot of hot air. It's disappointing that he is so unprepared for the job.

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[OriZ 3,157]

21 minutes ago, smilesammich said:

anyone who thinks or thought sanders isn't a politician is an imbecile. he had like 15 years in congress before becoming a senator. bernie sticks out cause he doesn't incessantly lie, and he has a spine and he actually uses it to stay upright. the idea that an outsider can disassemble establishment and simultaneously have the establishment work like a well oiled machine for their agenda is also quite stupid. i guess this trump/bernie connection will never ever make sense to me.

Well of course he is a politician, no one is denying that. Burlington City Hall where he served as Mayor 30 years ago is about two blocks up the shop from us(so is his office...wanna swap spots val ;)). But to many(and even what you said aligns with that) he doesn't act or talk like one. To them Trump doesn't either although you of course disagree with that. Other than that there's the other connections I mentioned. On a personal level I like Bernie and I've actually seen him several times around here in our short time here because they don't believe in body guards in this area lol(I got to meet and shake the governor's hand within less than 6 months of living here lol). I always said that while I disagree with many of his policies, I appreciate the way he handles himself like a grown man should. I also am not saying every Bernie supporter switched to Trump(obviously) - my PCP is genuinely probably one of the most intelligent people I have ever met and she's a big long time Bernie fan(before most people even knew who he was nationally). And she is very much anti Trump. So there's some of everything.  

Edited March 1, 2017 by OriZ

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

8 minutes ago, bcking said:

Except previously you said that anything that is misleading is the equivalent of fake.

 

If you fact check his speech you will find most of what he says is "misleading" or "mostly true". So technically wasn't his speech all full of fake statements?

 

It's interesting what you consider "One of the best speeches ever". Was the presentation of the award for Best Picture this year one of the "best award presentations ever"? Is The Human Centipede one of the "best movies ever"?

No I would consider Mlk speech on the mall the best ever. I have a dream and all  Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall was epic.

 

Trump's was in that league 

 

I don't watch award shows and never heard of the centipede thing 

[bcking 3,157]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

No I would consider Mlk speech on the mall the best ever. I have a dream and all  Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall was epic.

 

Trump's was in that league 

 

I don't watch award shows and never heard of the centipede thing 

What about responding to the fact that you just previously in the same thread said that anything misleading is "fake" and yet most of what Trump said was misleading? He didn't flat out lie, but the things he said weren't 100% truths. By your own judgment that means most of his speech was "fake". Interesting that a fake speech is considered one of the best ever.

[bcking 3,157]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

I agree. Its like if someone publishes a misleading story its still fake news 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/28/politics/trump-speech-fact-check/index.html

CNN, you would assume, would try their hardest to say that Trump is lying but even they report most of what he said was either "mostly true" or "true but misleading".

 

So by your own statement, all of those statements since they weren't 100% true were all "fake".

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4 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

No I would consider Mlk speech on the mall the best ever. I have a dream and all  Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall was epic.

 

Trump's was in that league 

 

I don't watch award shows and never heard of the centipede thing 

Oh dear, you're doing that erratically driving in the middle of the road thing again aren't you? We had two rollovers in town yesterday, don't be the third.