British citizen denied entry into the USA

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If you gave a different name to US Immigration to what was on your passport then I would expect a raised eyebrow.

 

Not sure exactly what they are but I know there was pre screening last time I came back, did not used to be.

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Just now, Boiler said:

If you gave a different name to US Immigration to what was on your passport then I would expect a raised eyebrow.

 

Not sure exactly what they are but I know there was pre screening last time I came back, did not used to be.

If the name on your ticket, for example, didn't match your passport you would not have made it on the plane. 

 

The guy was escorted off the plane. He got through security, everything was fine and then before take off he was removed. That wouldn't be for a simple "His name doesn't match".

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

That is the weirdest thing to me. Unless you are flying through somewhere like Dublin where you go through immigration before a flight, I feel like there are only a small number of scenarios where you are taken off a flight before it even takes off. If you are denied entry it is typically at immigration, once you have landed.

 

I thought I read that he had an ESTA, and presumably that was valid until 2019. I forget how long ESTA's last.

He never made it to the flight from what I can gather, not allowed to board and that happens, probably not a lot, if he was not RoP this would be a non story.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

That is the weirdest thing to me. Unless you are flying through somewhere like Dublin where you go through immigration before a flight, I feel like there are only a small number of scenarios where you are taken off a flight before it even takes off. If you are denied entry it is typically at immigration, once you have landed.

 

I thought I read that he had an ESTA, and presumably that was valid until 2019. I forget how long ESTA's last.

Yes. But many other articles state it was a visa. I'd really like some clarification on that. Pet peeve of mine, and would make a few differences too.

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2 minutes ago, Boiler said:

He never made it to the flight from what I can gather, not allowed to board and that happens, probably not a lot, if he was not RoP this would be a non story.

" After a brief search, Miah was allowed to board the plane. But shortly after that, he was informed he had been denied entry to the US and wouldn't be able to travel. "

 

He boarded the plane, and then was taken off. I think any person, regardless of their race or religion, would expect an explanation for that occuring. Especially when you are traveling and are responsible for children at the time. 

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4 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yes. But many other articles state it was a visa. I'd really like some clarification on that. Pet peeve of mine, and would make a few differences too.

I read various stories from various sources.

 

No explanation is required, how often do you see people on VJ saying they were never given an explanation, so if he had been given an explanation then all would be good?

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Just now, yuna628 said:

Yes. But many other articles state it was a visa. I'd really like some clarification on that. Pet peeve of mine, and would make a few differences too.

Pretty sure no Visa, VWP. Not sure exactly what he wanted to do, maybe he needed a visa.

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1 minute ago, bcking said:

" After a brief search, Miah was allowed to board the plane. But shortly after that, he was informed he had been denied entry to the US and wouldn't be able to travel. "

 

He boarded the plane, and then was taken off. I think any person, regardless of their race or religion, would expect an explanation for that occuring. Especially when you are traveling and are responsible for children at the time. 

He can expect it, and it's a reasonable expectation, but the truth is he'll never get an answer. No one ever does. There's been articles of all sorts of innocent people being on a 'no fly' list mistakenly and the utter hell they go through trying to get their names off the list. I'm still nervous about my in-laws visiting this year. They haven't traveled to any of the 7 on the list thankfully, their ESTA is good, but they certainly have been a variety of middle-eastern countries for summer holidays.

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22 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Pretty sure no Visa, VWP. Not sure exactly what he wanted to do, maybe he needed a visa.

Why would you need a visa as a British citizen ?

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21 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

He can expect it, and it's a reasonable expectation, but the truth is he'll never get an answer. No one ever does. There's been articles of all sorts of innocent people being on a 'no fly' list mistakenly and the utter hell they go through trying to get their names off the list. I'm still nervous about my in-laws visiting this year. They haven't traveled to any of the 7 on the list thankfully, their ESTA is good, but they certainly have been a variety of middle-eastern countries for summer holidays.

But yet many in the MDL think that is a perfectly good reason to take away your guns

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20 minutes ago, Boiler said:

I read various stories from various sources.

 

No explanation is required, how often do you see people on VJ saying they were never given an explanation, so if he had been given an explanation then all would be good?

Of course. But let's say if it were you in that situation? When a person is made to feel like they are a bad person or have done something wrong, they are also prone to be embarrassed, humiliated, and to feel as if the actions taken against them were unjust. The natural human response is to want to know what a government may or may not be accusing them of doing whether wrong or right. And who knows, there's been cases on here that sound like the CBP were being a little abusive you know? What happened if your name got on a no-fly list by mistake and you had to go through hell trying to find out why and how to get it off, knowing you might not be successful doing so.

 

10 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Why would you need a visa as a British citizen ?

Plenty of reasons, but it's more difficult for someone from a VWP nation to get one. By all accounts he would have been just fine on the VWP, and he wouldn't have been allowed to physically board if the ESTA was invalid or bad. So I can only assume somehow his name was on a no-fly - we don't know if it was wrong or right.

9 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

But yet many in the MDL think that is a perfectly good reason to take away your guns

I haven't an honest clue why you feel the need to toss in a red herring like this or what that has to do with anything of this subject. If someone gets on the no-fly list for legit reasons then they shouldn't belong having a gun. BUT if a person is on a no-fly for no reason it seems like we don't have any fair system to challenge that, now do we? We should fix that, right? This man may have done absolutely nothing wrong. Now you can wave that away and make yourself feel more comfortable with what we have done to him, by saying it's within our rights to do so for whatever reason we decide to make up as a country - but does that make it fair, honest, and right? Shouldn't we have some sort of principles of respect and fairness? Shouldn't we admit and correct mistakes? And shouldn't those wrongly accused have an opportunity to clear their name?

20 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Pretty sure no Visa, VWP. Not sure exactly what he wanted to do, maybe he needed a visa.

It seems he was a school trip chaperon member perhaps to the trip to NYC. Don't think he should have required a visa.

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There is one source with the MSM rejigging it but I see no journalism so who knows what the real issue is.

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2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Of course. But let's say if it were you in that situation? When a person is made to feel like they are a bad person or have done something wrong, they are also prone to be embarrassed, humiliated, and to feel as if the actions taken against them were unjust. The natural human response is to want to know what a government may or may not be accusing them of doing whether wrong or right. And who knows, there's been cases on here that sound like the CBP were being a little abusive you know? What happened if your name got on a no-fly list by mistake and you had to go through hell trying to find out why and how to get it off, knowing you might not be successful doing so.

 

Plenty of reasons, but it's more difficult for someone from a VWP nation to get one. By all accounts he would have been just fine on the VWP, and he wouldn't have been allowed to physically board if the ESTA was invalid or bad. So I can only assume somehow his name was on a no-fly - we don't know if it was wrong or right.

I haven't an honest clue why you feel the need to toss in a red herring like this or what that has to do with anything of this subject. If someone gets on the no-fly list for legit reasons then they shouldn't belong having a gun. BUT if a person is on a no-fly for no reason it seems like we don't have any fair system to challenge that, now do we? We should fix that, right? This man may have done absolutely nothing wrong. Now you can wave that away and make yourself feel more comfortable with what we have done to him, by saying it's within our rights to do so for whatever reason we decide to make up as a country - but does that make it fair, honest, and right? Shouldn't we have some sort of principles of respect and fairness? Shouldn't we admit and correct mistakes? And shouldn't those wrongly accused have an opportunity to clear their name?

It seems he was a school trip chaperon member perhaps to the trip to NYC. Don't think he should have required a visa.

kinda what I was thinking. The fact he was required to have a visa in the 1st place makes me wonder. 

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4 hours ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Why would you need a visa as a British citizen ?

He had a visa. Some people refer to ESTA as as visa, because it works like one, to a certain extent. 

 

"I asked her on what ground was I denied access. I got my ESTA [US visitor's] visa, I have a British passport, I ticked all the rights boxes. She did not give me an answer," he said.

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Seems he was using the Visa Waiver Programme. No visa. But with the drive by's difficult to tell.